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Post by Stapleraindrop on 07.12.13 11:45

In the Asetianism,Asetians are known for having some generalized traits, like the strong grounding being found within Guardians, or the cycling of the Concubines. The Asetians, are the children of one of the 3 primordials, and by extension of course, Aset Herself. Each most likely inherits some traits from which lineage they belong to, by extension the primordial from whom they were born of. A better description of this can be found in the AB, p. 107

Sadly, the traits of a Keeper are quite mysterious, even moreso than those of Asetian descent. Because Aset taught Anubis Herself, wouldn't his Ka be more balanced than one of the three Primordials; Anubis was taught by a figuratively 'collective' Aset, or her as a whole that makes sense. Instead of being one of a trinity of 3, he would have a balance in Ka.

Here is a graph I made to try to visually 'map' the Keepers vs. the Asetians

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Thoughts? I could be blatantly wrong but it kind of made sense in my mind
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 07.12.13 11:46

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Post by Jonathan on 07.12.13 14:01

It's not easy to compare things in such an analytical way. Yes it's true that each Lineage draws different qualities from Aset but Keepers are not children of Aset, instead Anubis was raised and taught in her teachings. Different Keepers were educated by different Asetians so they must also be diverse, learning powers and characteristics more in tune with the Asetians they bonded with. Keepers don't have the blood of Aset so there is no direct spiritual inheritance. In terms of energy balance I personally believe there are Keepers that are vampiric in nature and others that have no vampire side at all. Official stance from the Aset Ka on this remains cloudy (publicly) but there are elements here and there that you can use to reach such conclusions.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 07.12.13 14:24

The graph was a rough attempt to map out my brain :p some people need visuals, you feel?

Is an adopted child not a child? Though Anubis does not feel the flow of Her blood within him, he feels the eternal love of Isis. Though Keepers do not have Her blood, they have within them the teachings of Her magic, which can be seen as something almost as sacred as Her blood.

Also, since Keepers did some of the 'dirty work' I'm sure there were some educated Keeper 'elders' or something who may have taught differently than Asetian elders.
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Post by Jonathan on 07.12.13 15:56

In my comments I wasn't diminishing Keepers in any way. I have a great respect for their bloodline and work for the Aset Ka.

I don't agree however that they taught differently than the Asetians as Keepers are among the most loyal of Asetianists and the most fierce followers of the teachings of the Elders. They enforce them sometimes in more extreme ways than the Asetians themselves. It's important to understand that this doesn't question their free will at all as this passion and dedication is bound to their nature and true Will, not something out of obligation or duty. That detail is quite clear in the official teachings.
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Post by Kalb on 07.12.13 16:12

I believe that both the Guardians and Keepers give much value to what they feel and how much they are devoted to love and union, both are protective, sensitive and definitely emotional. In your drawing you placed the Keepers at the center of the circle, I would trade it for the "A" (Aset). As explained in the teachings of Asetian Kabbalah, the point is Aset, the origin of everything. I put the Keepers outside of the circle, protecting the Asetian Family that is inside of the circle. If we look at the mythology, the jackals were protective of cemeteries in ancient egypt that protected the dead and often responsible for the safe passage of the physical plan for the Duat. Now, the fun part is that according to legend Anubis used a boat to take them to the the Duat through Nile River. Of course, this was nothing more than a mere theory to satisfy some human fantasies, the problem is that in 1954 was discovered next to the Great Pyramid of Giza, a boat belonging to the King Khufu. If you look at Book Of Orion, you will check something like that: "Sebayt of Khufu – Awakening to Immortality ". Remenber that the Duat is where the Immortality is possible is where the Power Reside.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 07.12.13 16:38

Jonathon, I agree completely with you that the Keepers would promote Asetian dogma, ways, and magic. Their dedication to the family is obviously extremely strong.

When I said that the Keeper elders would teach differently, I mean that the Keepers within the Council of Anubis would probably have received special training that the average Asetian probably wouldn't.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 07.12.13 16:42

Also Kalb, the circle wasn't a map of the Asetian family, otherwise the Concubine portion of the graph would be far larger than that of the Viperine. The graph was my attempt at visually representing the magic or energy of the keeper. I was trying to show my belief that their Ka would be something almost like a balance of the lineages. Because the Keepers have to protect the family, their soul and will would have to be energetically strong, and a balanced soul wielding the magic of Isis would be a powerful being indeed.
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Post by Kalb on 08.12.13 3:06

Stapleraindrop: My apologies for the misinterpretation of your drawing.
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Post by Nightshade on 08.12.13 17:59

The nature of Children of Anubis that we know as Keepers remains an interesting study to any Asetianist.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 16.12.13 17:28

In recent thoughts, I have thought about the connection between the elements and the children of the Goddess. If you look at the nature of each of the 3 lineages, it shares parallels with a particular element.

Earth - Guardians, grounding, stable, healing (physical)
Air - Concubines, chaotic, cyclic,
Fire - Viperines, powerful, fragile

More than just basic traits however, I find myself connecting each lineage deeply to the base aspects of the elements. Does anyone else notice a similar correlation?
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Post by Victor on 16.12.13 18:36

Stapleraindrop wrote:In recent thoughts, I have thought about the connection between the elements and the children of the Goddess. If you look at the nature of each of the 3 lineages, it shares parallels with a particular element.

Earth - Guardians, grounding, stable, healing (physical)
Air - Concubines, chaotic, cyclic,
Fire - Viperines, powerful, fragile

More than just basic traits however, I find myself connecting each lineage deeply to the base aspects of the elements. Does anyone else notice a similar correlation?
Those correlations can be useful in manipulating the different vibrations of energy according to those alchemical elements and they do have a fundamental spiritual relation. However, I would remove Earth from your construct and instead place the Scorpions (Guardians) in Water. Have you read the Book of Orion yet? If not, the answer to this riddle can be found there, just waiting to be discovered.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 16.12.13 19:37

Not yet, looking to purchase it soon. The emotional feelings and idea of love within water and the fact that Serket guards that particular canopic jar already form the foundations of an idea about the Guardians :p.

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Post by Divine 277 on 17.12.13 3:23

I know why victor refers to the guardian linage as water, however stapleraindrop has a point with the grounding of the guardian and their natural shield, the guardian is the most "solid" of the 3 and is the best at grounding ... referring to rot chakra ...

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Post by Victor on 17.12.13 7:42

I understand why you both considered connecting Guardians with Earth. The powerful shields, natural grounding and balance make for an obvious connection. However you shouldn't be looking at abilities but instead focus on the core elements of the soul. To connect a Lineage with an elemental power you must look at its innermost foundation. These metaphysical connections will make more sense then.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 17.12.13 9:37

It almost feels like the Ba of the Guardian would be close to water, but the Ka moreso to earth.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 17.12.13 10:04

Though there may be no actual relation, the goddess who protects the jar may have a link to the lineage that connects with that element.

Serket - Water - Guardians
Neith (Godess of chaos and winds) - Air - Concubine
Isis - Fire - Viperine
Nepthys - Earth - ?

Nepthys both guards the jar of the North, and is the mother of Anubis. Does this make sense to anybody else?
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Post by Jonathan on 17.12.13 13:01

Also comes into place the theory explained by both Luis Marques and Aleister Crowley that teaches how Earth is actually an inferior element. It's still a very important one but "lower" than the other three. To be honest I heard it before but never fully understood it to its full extent before studying the Book of Orion and get into the Orion current within the Asetian tradition.

Otherwise your connections seem to be pretty accurate Stapleraindrop. I agree with it.
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 17.12.13 18:41

If I were to relate that back to the original graph, the Keeper would theoretically have all of the aspects of the elements within a balance .
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Post by Stapleraindrop on 18.12.13 9:38

Jonathon, what you said about earth being 'lower' than the other 3 elements coincides with the relationship of the Asetian family, if you were to view Keepers as being earth beings. Keepers are 'lower' in Asetians in the sense that the blood of Her Highness does not run through their veins.

Not hating on Keepers here, but there is a relation
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Post by Nightshade on 19.12.13 12:14

Stapleraindrop wrote:Though there may be no actual relation, the goddess who protects the jar may have a link to the lineage that connects with that element.

Serket - Water - Guardians
Neith (Godess of chaos and winds) - Air - Concubine
Isis - Fire - Viperine
Nepthys - Earth - ?

Nepthys both guards the jar of the North, and is the mother of Anubis. Does this make sense to anybody else?

I never really understood why Neith protects the canopic jar that connects with Air. The spiritual reasons seem to be beyond my understanding at this point. The Book of Orion was mentioned and I know there is content there related with Neith and her being Asetian but it's in poetic form which makes it symbolical and presented through code, so I can't take its full knowledge yet. This is the kind of thing that possibly Maktub or Victor would be able to shed some light but are unlikely to do it openly.
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Post by Kalb on 19.12.13 18:38

I have nothing to add to the spiritual level, but I can understand the symbolism of why Neith protects the canopic jar that connects with Air. The Priestess in the Tarot is the path that connect Tiphareth to Kether, is the path that crosses the abyss and interestingly the Hebrew letter that connect this letter is Gimel, which means camel and the camel is the animal that can cross the desert. Some argue that Artemis and Diana is just a representation of Aset, but it is important to say that the cult of Artemis originated in Crete where the goddess Britomartis was represented as a young girl armed with arrows, carrying a snake or a baby.

The Priestess has a bow with arrows, and for me it is a clear representation of the Goddess Neith. The arrow is known nowadays by Cupid, is the arrow that protects love and lovers and romanticism. For example, in the tradition of the Indian Vedas, the arrow is a symbol of intuition and quick thinking associated with a goddess. The Arabs developed a form of divination by arrows, writing them several actions and words, in order to get answers. As we know the Lineages of Guardians is connected to the water element and the Moon itself is seen as part of the symbolism of the Water element too. But. Neith, is very famous because the term "archer", and she triumphed with his bow numerous times, It is important to emphasize that we are talking about an archer who is feared and hated by her ability to not fail in their targets, Sethians.

Therefore, I conclude that she is Master in Air element, having controls on winds and other details due to their status as archer. It's a theoretical but interesting symbolism to observe... Another detail is, the knight in Tarot, is a symbol of triumph, glory and power and, therefore, is chosen to represent the paintings of kings, emperors and heroes. One of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, the white horse with his bow and arrow, symbolizing the wild animals and while winning is a representation of the triumph of God's word.

The Red Dawn in my eyes is the representation of the triumph of Asetians against Sethians.
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Post by Maxx on 19.12.13 18:44

Kalb, I find your comment regarding the camel very interesting as a part of my recent studies and efforts  had to do with a camel aiding and joining in my crossing of the abyss.... how timely.
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Post by Nightshade on 19.12.13 18:57

Thank you for the explanation Kalb. Good information there for me to study.
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Post by Kalb on 20.12.13 1:29

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