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The Divine Utterance

Post by Ankhhape on 28.01.09 8:37

There is a difference between a person's name acting as a label and a person's true name.

At the heart of all the lost traditions was the teaching of the power of the WORD.
Every society, tradition and religion used the secret arts of sound, music and words to teach, heal and enlighten.

The ancient God names are specific signals that can be used to call upon aspects of the one divine force throughout the Universe. They represent manifestations of the divine within our Universe.
We all know the story of Aset learning the true name of Amon in order to retrieve her husband from the Underworld.

It is also known that the Universe and everything in it was begun with 'The Divine Utterance' 'The Word' which I see as the Primordial Vibration from which everything was put into motion by.

In Hindu cosmology, the name of a thing is actually a vital key to understanding its inner nature.

To quote from Sufi Hazrat Inyat Khan:
"There is a great secret hidden in name . . . All mystery is hidden in name . . . the meaning of name plays an important part in man's life, and the sound, the vowels, the rhythm, number of the letters which compose it, the mystical numbers, symbol and planet, as well as the root from which it is derived, all disclose their secret."

Just some initial thoughts on sacred sound
any comments are welcome
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Post by Kemisi on 28.01.09 8:44

wow, makes one really step back and think, about just how important a name can be. Also makes you appreciate your own name as well. Thank you for sharing.
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Post by Maxx on 29.01.09 19:00

Ah Ankhape,

You have hit on something I have been using for quite some time.....the study of numerology and I find how on target it is with the 6 numbers that each person has, based on their name and their birth day month and year.
Those six numbers vibrate and cause all things around us and things to be drawn to us while other numbers repell us. I find it to be so accurate that I intend to legally change my name when my mother passes on as the name I have chosen more reflects and vibrates what I want to create in my life and it will be much easier.

I see again how our interests are rather running in the same manner....

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Post by Ankhhape on 29.01.09 19:32

Fascinating Maxx, and noble of you Smile
Makes one wonder about that number . . . 6 and the Holy number of our Goddess Aset (7)?

Hermetically speaking: 6 is Sephira Tiphareth of the Tree of Life, Thagirion Sephira of the Tree of Death, the central Qlipha 'Ha Ilan ha-Hizon' the Anti-Christ / Beast 666
This is the Sephira where the Magus comes into contact with the Higher-Self / Daemon and learns his/hers true name

The Book of Thoth defines VI as Love / Duality manifest unto the Physical Plane.
The Equilibrium needed for the 'Great Work'
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Re: The Divine Utterance

Post by Laura on 02.02.09 19:18

I've been thinking about the "true name" of things for a while... I am not sure if it could actually exist.
the way I see it..... one could not be born with a true name, because it would be kind of foretelling what the kid would grow up to be. So the true name would have to be formed as the person begins to for his essence? his personality? (can't really find a word for that, but it would be who he is). But we humans tend to change, to evolve, so our true name would also have to change (because is not we would not be able to evolve). So, a person could have many "true names" through out their life. So how true can a true name be when it changes constantly?
On the other hand, something that does not evolve or evolve that fast (let's say, the sun) could have a true name because it takes so many years for it to change that it's essence does tend to remain the same. I think the same applies to Gods, mostly to immortal things because part of them remains unchanged.

I hope I've made my point of view clear (if not let me know and I will try to explain).
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Post by Maxx on 02.02.09 20:47

My question is this......how can your view be proven? Where did that
view originate? I do not mean to be offensive, but so often rumors get started by how a person ascertains their feelings with no grounding. There are so many posts here in the forum that say I believe, I feel, I think, etc., but then offer no anchor for the statement. Again, I do not
want to be offensive to you directly, I am posting this because I have been concerned with so many statements here that deal in the same fashion. For certain, please forgive me if I have been untoward. I mean no personal attack. I would wish we all stopped to think about what we post and apply reason with it.......and again, I am not saying your post is unreasonable.

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Post by Maxx on 02.02.09 20:59

Based on what you just posted, I thought you would find this quote rather interesting. I found it in one of my study books. The comment is:


"War, chaos and disruption are considered traits inherent in Ahriman (name of a God or Satan, Set, Lucifer, etc.) The human mind is reluctant to perceive that all wars and violence are caused by the human itself. If Ahriman is the god of chaos, then his role is to be savior to the human spirit. What would be the result if there was an anthropomorphic God, one who took away war, struggle, hate, disruption and disorder from our universe? What if God took away disease and hunger? Would we continue to grow stronger and more intelligent, would we see a need to overcome and challenge ourselves further? Could our inherent beast like nature be extinquished, could we loose the predatory instinct which is a large part of our minds?

All of the factors of struggle and disorder present a challenge for us to actually overcome and transform. Do not fall to the sickened western thought of struggle being negative, it forms and tests our character, allows growth and cultivates the ability to ascend beyond personal limitations"

Those that intend to only follow the white light will miss the ability to experience and understand that light comes from darkness. This has been documented by science. Therefore not dealing with the darkness in a manner to experience it and also control it, will be a part of our life that is shortchanged. Dealing with it and confronting the darkness head on will open up new vistas for our personalities to gain the knowledge to overcome our problems first hand.

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Re: The Divine Utterance

Post by Jonathan on 03.02.09 11:14

Maxx wrote:My question is this......how can your view be proven? Where did that
view originate? I do not mean to be offensive, but so often rumors get started by how a person ascertains their feelings with no grounding. There are so many posts here in the forum that say I believe, I feel, I think, etc., but then offer no anchor for the statement. Again, I do not
want to be offensive to you directly, I am posting this because I have been concerned with so many statements here that deal in the same fashion. For certain, please forgive me if I have been untoward. I mean no personal attack. I would wish we all stopped to think about what we post and apply reason with it.......and again, I am not saying your post is unreasonable.

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I disagree with you on this. Not only the occult but religion and spirituality is much of a personal thing and we can all learn with eachother's views and opinions. Giving our view and thoughts on a subject is not a bad thing, it is actually how most things evolve, by comparing information, views, thoughts, opinions. That is what Laura did, she gave us her views on this matter, something that I have never thought of under her perspective and found it interesting. It is always good to question everything, and relying on other opinions and views is always a great way to do that. You condemned the posts that say "I think" and "I feel", but to my belief the occult and spirituality is much driven from our feelings and what really connects with us, in ways that many times are not substantiated by the so called major schools of thought. I can agree that sometimes drifting through unsourced theories and material can lead to confusion and sometimes even unnecessary rumors. I understand the dangers implied on that, however I believe that as mature students of the occult we also have to develop the tools to identify those situations and still keep an open mind to grow with the opinions of others, to debate them and make our own judgements.

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Post by Kemisi on 03.02.09 12:13

Jonathan, I am glad you said this. It is how I had felt but also delved deeper into what Maxx said as well but came to the same conclusion. Peoples thoughts, beliefs, views, and opinions are theirs. It is what makes them, them and what makes us all interesting and different. No two of us are the same or have the exact same views though we do agree on a lot of them.
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Post by Maxx on 03.02.09 12:21

What I am saying is that if we make a post, why not have a definite source for background....other than "I think" or "I feel"...Nothing wrong with giving ones thoughts at all whether they be right or wrong. You are changing what I posted . What I am saying is let us try to be more factual with the material we post rather than just uttering feelings for fact. Simple to determine. Also, I am not attacking her at all, or anyone else. I am just trying to make the forum be more creditable than having feelings put up for fact. I do not believe that is so very hard to see.

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Post by Laura on 03.02.09 15:56

Maxx, I do not feel attacked or offended, and I also understand where you are comming from.
What I wrote on my post is what I think (but trust me I did put a lot of though into it, the true name of things is something I have been wondering about for a long time now...).
Most of my posts are based on what I think, but I do try to put much thought behind my posts out of respect for everyone here, but when I do post someone else's theory I do quote. But do not forget that a lot of what we know about philosophy and even about the occult comes from deep thinking and meditating about different matters, that is why there are so many paths and ways of doing the same thing (well that is what I think and feel).
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Post by Maxx on 03.02.09 18:43

Thank you, Laura, for coming back in to post. I appreciate your follow up and your commentary is very credible.

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Post by Ankhhape on 07.02.09 6:14

I have been compiling a book for study for a while now. While it is true that not much exists in the way of studying the use of magick and music there is material out there to draw from.

Acoustic sigilism may be rather new it seems, but if you look at the ancient civilizations especially the Indus Valley & Kemet you can see the power of 'The Word' 'The Divine Utterance' & indications of the use of vibration & frequency to empower.

Music's ability to connect us with the Divine is unmistakable, the Sufi's insist that music is the only true Art we have, I agree.
Theosophy has discussed the Devachan world that imprints divine music upon our astral body when we sleep.

Balinese Gamelan music is tied in with the dark occult of Ilmu Khodam, African drummers have always killed the animals that they made their ritual drums from for obvious reasons, the Whirling Dervish can actually be seen as living sigils of both audio & visual.

Musiq is organized sound - sound is vibration - vibration is a divine connection.

'First there was Nun . . . . From unbalances and fusion of opposites, the chaos was set in motion, and from its nothingness the primeval consciousness emerged - Amon'
- Asetian Bible Part1 Ch:2 p.39

What is this saying? To me it is saying that Amon / divine consciousness was created by vibration (set in motion).
Amon - Aum - OM

*just some thoughts I wished to throw out there
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Post by Leviticus on 08.02.09 17:43

wasn't this also mentioned in the Jewish religion with the creation of the "golem" the creation of life with the true name.

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Post by Ankhhape on 08.02.09 19:13

I thought that Golem was created from clay? Very much in the vain of Egyptian God Khnum from where the Jews probably stole the concept from.
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Post by Leviticus on 10.02.09 16:57

well its one of those things..... It may have been a replicated idea but the Egyptian and Hebrews were so inter linked for such a long time its hard to trace the origin.

The point is that there are other accounts of a true language out there. Which strengthens the evidence of it.


The Golem was created in physical form through the building blocks of humans such as clay, but was given life through the language of Hebrew which was believed to be the true language at one time, and there were multiple Golems some made from clay and other by mud, wood, even corpses.

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Post by Ankhhape on 11.02.09 11:10

The link begins with the ROS controlled Akhenaten and his monotheistic vision and Moses ran with it.
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Post by Leviticus on 11.02.09 11:31

Who is ROS

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Post by Ankhhape on 11.02.09 11:59

Red Order of Set
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Post by Ankhhape on 18.02.09 18:53

The Primordial Language was where each letter became manifest in form (geometry) and in sound with a specific energy (number/frequency?) which would awaken our higher faculties.

To learn this Holy Writ was to comprehend the vibratory aspects of an object.

The Abrahamic God confounded this language metaphorically stated in the Fall of Mankind.

The Holy Grail refers, in esoteric lore, to the quest for this primordial state, the Edenic State.
The Third eye no longer functioned, we became trapped in a temporal world, enslaved by time.
Gnostic tradition calls this the emerald fallen from the forehead of Lucifer

The Legend of a chalice fashioned by angels from an emerald stone which dropped from the forehead of Lucifer, at the time of his fall

Could this be in reference to The Emerald Tablet of Hermes (Thoth), the alchemical (al- khemi) table of formulae?

As above so below; is what Gurdjieff calls the ascending "Law of the Octave"
The law for Man is to remain in the state of a man-machine.

"The way of the development of hidden possibilities is a way against God (Abrahamic).


I will post more as I research it . . .
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