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Post by Mike W on 27.08.15 19:38

Roaming the various threads around here I've heard mention of other bloodlines of vampires not created by Aset or Seth, I wanted to know if anyone had more information on them? My learning here is taking a unexpected but pretty cool turn, but I still want to continue my research into vampires and other not human beings also. I know the AB might have covered separate bloodlines and Otherkin, but I haven't been able to get my hand on a copy yet ( which will be next month hopefully), so I'm working with the resource that is this awesome forum.

Also, I thought instead of making multiple threads on two subjects that indirectly connect, I'd rather just make it a two part question, so is there anymore info on this Vampire Watchers Group? I've seen the name pop up a few times around here but not much other than their about as secretive as the Aset Ka, and that their not some type of online community, which is what I thought, but the way their talked about seems to paint a more on the field picture. I have to say honestly that approach appeals to me, I like computers and the internet and all, but I've always been the go and search for it type.
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Post by Mike W on 27.08.15 19:40

I should have said non-human souls, not beings.
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Post by Jonathan on 28.08.15 4:23

The VWG is one of the oldest groups of vampire researchers out there. I think they have been operating for a few centuries now with a field network of agents in Europe and some in the US. They're very secretive and keep their activities to themselves but the organization has some of the top vampire experts in the world. Some of the administrators in this forum are part of the VWG and I believe Victor has connections and worked with them as well. Don't go around asking them about it though.
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Post by Mike W on 28.08.15 6:33

I can respect that, secrecy certainly has it's place. I was just hoping for some more facts & Info from reliable sources about vampires. Most forums and sites have the usual history from the early 90's onward of the sanguine and psychic vampires. Vampiric human would be a better term I guess, or maybe just misguided is; intentionally wounding your own chakra/Shen so you can intake other's energy sounds messed up and dangerous on several levels  (I know some now most likely have to do it because they've been deep fed on and now in turn have a damaged chakra, but that's the root of the problem; irresponsibility). I don't totally disbelieve their claims (well sanguine vampires tend to have too many theatrics for me to take them truly seriously), just not interested in learning anymore about them.

As a side note and an apology, I don't wish to offend anyone that partakes in energy or blood feeding, not everyone who feeds off other's energy is misguided or has a damaged chakra, actually wouldn't mind learning it myself.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 3:03

What people think is that a body has a soul. The opposite is true the soul has the body. Which is why we can have multiple lives. It is like having a car. Now I know otherkin , quite a few different ones who all have their own story. As to the why they chose a human form? From what I gather our physical plane is able sustain the machine of the physical bodies we inhabit.

I am vampire. Inheritor born but have had many different lives, one past life was a vampire as well. So naturally when I chose to be reborn I chose vampire.

My husband is an angel. Said I said angel... They are not nice beings. I won't talk too bad about them but they are very opionated, they have "just" actions, meaning they think that giving lessons is good even if people don't want to hear it. It's hard living with an upper level entity...which is what the angel is. Forget everything you been told about them religiously, they are not that.

I do know a few demons, not in human form. I've never met someone who was human with demon soul. I think it's hard for them to get a physical place here.

A quick lesson. Our energy is all different. The astral is made up of vibration states. The normal human is a neutral. When they are born they can gain bad energy or good energy. There is a lot more too this but I'm not going to go into the humans. A demon is a species made up of lower leve vibrations. We associate their energy as feeling "evil" they are not bad, they are demons. Just like an being that feeds, they live off certain energy. To exist, they feed. You can't get mad at a bear for being a bear....same thing with demons.

Angels are upper vibration entities , they are born that way. Just because they are made up of the light fluffy energy does not mean they are light fluffy beings. Most have ego problems.

A demon can never be anything but a demon....an angel can never be anything but an angel. A human can't become either. Your soul is made the way it is. The same with the fae, they are who they are.

That brings us to the entities that can change . The vampire is the only soul that can start as human and become something else. The soul becomes vampire. I think that is why we choose to keep being reborn into the same genetic makeup.

There are some special circumstances to everything . A lot of otherkin come to be born human to escape their physical world. Som beings I've come across like the demon have trouble being born human. I'm sure some do but not many .

This was a lot of information and not even half of what I can say on this topic. I can continue if you have questions

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Post by Jonathan on 29.08.15 3:11

Wow there's a lot of confusion and misinformation being presented there. You can't chose to incarnate as a vampire. You are a vampire or you aren't, it's not something you can chose to be or not to be in different lives.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 3:15

How do you think we are born? It's a choice. And I didn't say that it always happens. And I also said that there are special circumstances to everything. But birth is not random. At all. We choose before we are born and choosing to be born into a certain bloodline to increase your chance of trying to redo a past f-up is what we all do.

You did.

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Post by Jonathan on 29.08.15 3:20

That's just incorrect.

Vampirism is a definitive condition of the soul and it's definitely not bound to choice.

It also has nothing to do with redoing wrong pasts. Really poor information being presented.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 3:23

I should say it this way. You can't view yourself as your physical body. Your soul is your essence. Without the soul the body is just a mechanical meat robot. We are energy beings. We are electrical ... The physical body runs on electricity. If a soul is not inside a body it doesn't operate.

Now the choice of birth happens in the astral. You are not aware of this choice. If we all knew why we came here then it defeats the purpose of living. When you die, you go through the process again. Do you choose to be born or not?

If you didn't achieve what you came for most likely you ca choose to go again. And you do. If we didn't have this option then what is the alternative? One single bing decides our fate? That must be a real irritating job

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Post by Jonathan on 29.08.15 3:27

You're missing the point. Obviously the soul is the essence and the body is where the soul inhabits. But you CAN'T chose to incarnate as a vampire. Being a vampire has nothing to do with your body or genetics. It's a condition of the soul. Real vampires are a vampire here and in the realms of the dead or the astral. They are always a vampire. Can't chose to incarnate as one or not. That's just fluffy nonsense.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 3:29

I'm on a tablet. Forgive my errors, it drives me insane.

I agree with you about the vampire part as well. I think we are arguing over having the same opinion. Vampire is a physical condition and a soul essence

You can choose to be born as someone with a chronic illness or someone of a different race. Think about it. Talk to any medium, psychic, shaman, medicine man or even astrally project and go ask someone over there. It's all a choice. When we are born then the chance comes into play a bit more. But you chose your life, everyone did. It wasn't forced on you

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Post by Jonathan on 29.08.15 3:39

You're confusing two different things which is physical and metaphysical. Yes you can chose paths of your life but vampirism is not an illness and can't be compared to it. You may have to undergo a physical illness to learn certain cosmic lessons but you don't have to be a vampire to learn any kind of lesson or overcome a troubled past. Vampirism is not a lesson. You are a vampire or you aren't. No one can chose to incarnate as a vampire just like no vampire can stop being one. It's not an illness. Not a disease. It's a bloodline of the gods.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 3:46

So you don't think you can choose to be reborn into the same bloodline? You die and then choose to be born vampire. You can choose to be born Irish if you wanted. That has nothing to do with a lesson. That was not for the vampire. I was merely saying that if someone can choose to be born cripple then choosing your bloodline I not different.

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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 7:29

Although I think it would be nice to be able pick who your going to be, I don't think its as simple as that, and I do believe like Jonathon said, you don't choose to be a vampire.

I've heard of Inheritors, classical, and the other classes (I forget their names, I haven't been to the site in forever) from Catherene NightPoe's vampiric studies website. That was the first I'd ever seen of the "vampire community" when I was younger. If I'm correct she believes vampirism comes from a retroactive virus called V5 or something, which can be found on British TV show from a while back (never saw it myself, but did enough looking on the internet to know not a lot of people know about the show and it makes a great explanation for other self-proclaimed vampires who just slap another name on it and call it the truth) and claims to have been turned sometime in the early 19th or 20th century. I really don't mean to be rude Original Red but I find myself a bit skeptical to what you claim to be.

Also too I have read about the Angels you talk about from Rob's magick blog. He's a bit egotistical, but he hasn't really done anything for me to know if he's legit, or just another internet personality
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Post by Maxx on 29.08.15 8:24

I miss the good old days of Beaver and Wally Cleaver before the damn television with the stories of cheesy Vampires and fake loony witches began to invade the young mind and create generational and delusional minds where 75% of all children now think a vampire bloodline was created from the television.  No one has to do any work and study now to be anything.  The TV bloodline is just birthing these as_____s like a breeding ground of asylum vacation bloodline spots.  No one even looks at nature anymore to see or understand how energy is arrived at and packaged in the human body and how it is acquired.  That must come from mom and pop TV screens as well.  Unplug that son of a b____ and let's get back to the study of reality before there is no sanity left.
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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 8:43

But you can't take me away from my MTV! It's the voice of a generation! Wall
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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 8:44

Or is that Twitter?
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Post by Maxx on 29.08.15 8:56

your (thoughts) and imagination should not be used to escape reality but to create it.
(Colin Wilson)

....and using your mind to create an association with mtv and Buffy vampire chaser is nothing other than escaping and is the crux of what I describe. This is where all the loons are coming from. It all started with Beaver Cleaver....that little bastard...
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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 9:09

Th MTV thing was a joke, I watch a lot of TV I'll admit that, but never that horrible channel. And where did Buffy come from? I just would like more information on the other bloodlines, or any of the Otherkin for that matter, I don't have the AB at the moment so I'm a little lost when it comes to all of this.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 15:42

What is Rob's magic blog? I haven't actually gone through many other sites. I've only known one angel. I never thought they could be born into humans like demons have trouble.

The whole point I was trying to make was to answer the question, how do non-human souls get into human bodies. Well you don't teach someone to read by giving them Poetry. You start with the alphabet. Of course there is a lot more to it than that but for sake of simple argument in explanation, you have to generalize. We all have our own story, background, birth choice whatever you desire to believe.

If people would read carefully, I did say, there is way more on this topic and circumstances are different, for everyone. In order to give directions you need to tell someone how to get there, first step, make sure you are on the right damn road.

For the sake of saying it again. Of course it is not that simple. However, those are the general steps. And I still maintain that your birth choice is not a chance. That is how you get the same souls reborn into the same family generation after generation. It is no different.

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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 16:49

Some of his stuff seems to be okay sounding, I read some of his shielding and meditation stuff and it doesn't sound too far out or anything (of course I'm still learning so I can't say it has any merit), but most of it sounds like he's trying to build a universe for a novel. I stopped reading him after I read an argument in his comment section where he started ranting about being like a god and that he could strike you down with his awesome wizard power blah, blah, blah... So I wouldn't really recommend the dude.
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Post by Mike W on 29.08.15 16:54

And in the original post I wasn't asking how non-human souls get into human bodies, I was asking for info on how and why the other vampire bloodlines are different from the Asetian and Sethian vampires.
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Post by Original Red on 29.08.15 20:05

Yeah I try not to read too many self proclaimed people. Anyone who talks more about themselves than about any topic of info is not someone I can listen to very long. I like gathering info. My apologies for misreading your question.

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Post by Lynskha on 14.09.17 16:25

You are a vampire or you aren't. No one can chose to incarnate as a vampire just like no vampire can stop being one. It's not an illness. Not a disease. It's a bloodline of the gods

It is just so complicated how the wrong descriptions are misleading people. Some get too attached to these concepts, they cannot accept others. Many texts picture the vampire as something with a disease that can be cured, or someone influenced by astral vampires, others that you can chose to become a vampire by conecting to some energies, having some rituals, dna, genetic...

Either you are a vampire or not. Not being able to make a choice like choosing a character from a video game...

Vampirism is a definitive condition of the soul and it's definitely not bound to choice.

Well said. it is a Condition of the soul. The Essence...
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