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Post by Lynskha on 31.08.17 10:15

I was reading some old topics, but I am not sure if you talked about it, this way.

I read some people just attacked Aset Ka, from other Orders, and that some time ago there was a heaten argument because of that, on the Internet.

I saw a very mature debate here, very respectful way of dealing with different points of view.

My question is, how is is or would be the interaction between people belonging to different Orders?

I mean , a person from Kheperu , that would not "attack" Aset Ka, but would try to interact in this forum, for example, or a person from TOV... I mean the respect would remain, I believe. But do you think something like a conflict would happen? Would it be because of ego? Or the position of defending your Order?

My question is because I think interaction is importante, and we can grow so much with many things, but as I saw, conflicts do exist, and I was just wondering that.

As I saw, people do declare themselves as members of different Orders, but I believe it will be hard for an Asetian to do so, (correct me if I am mistaken) but if this happened, like, a person in a forum, or among other people from other Orders, and this person is an Asetian, would he maybe "suffer" any kind of "prejudice" , or be seen as something "to be argued about" ?

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Post by Jonathan on 31.08.17 10:41

For the most part occult orders nurture mutual respect and cooperate without any conflict of relevance. There have been exceptions during certain times in history but the larger organizations in terms of influence are often the ones less discussed.

You mentioned the ToV and House Kheperu but those arenít usually considered serious occult orders in most circles, with interests and goals that arenít exactly noble. For example about Kheperu there was a time in the past where Michelle Belanger used to spread lies about the Asetians and tried to profit from them. Because of those actions most occultists lost respect for her. Anyways thatís a long subject.

Concerning what you stated about the Aset Ka being often misrepresented, that is very true. There is a lot of prejudice when it comes to the Asetian tradition, especially among more superficial circles and communities that lack access to certain branches of knowledge. That has always happened and shouldnít be of great concern as long as initiates remain aware that the internet isnít a reliable source of information. Some people will always lie and many out there consider the Aset Ka a major threat that they cowardly attack with falsehood. Many of us here have fought that along the years but in the end itís up to each individual to walk his unique path of truth and uncover those lies spread out there to make them fall.
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Post by Lynskha on 31.08.17 10:53

Thanks for your explanation, Jonathan.

The Orders I mentioned, as you said are the "basic" ones that came to mind, and also the ones that are most "open" on the internet, so refering to them was easier for me, actually being the ones I read about.

I see a lot of different interpretations on the same subject, but then, each one adopting what they believe to be true. Sometimes even mocking each other.

You also said that because of non serious orders, most occultist lost respect for them . I would add that , because of many things they spread, and say, unfortunatly, vampires, and serious Orders lost credibility among some occultist that tend to generalize.

That is sad. But as I read in another post here, a brilliant one that said, Asetian Bible and some things related to Aset Ka, came to show vampires DO know things. And are interested in the evolutive path.

I believe the prejudice that appears is much because, as it is very secretive, it is easier for people in general to attack it. Creating their own concepts and views and thoughts. Trying to diminish it.

What admires me the most is that, in a very polite way, Aset Ka stands its place. No need of arguments on the internet. No need of defending itself, or creating debates.

I feel they just Are. So secure of their position, and Tradition.
My admiration for it just grows.

As you said in the end, it is up to each individual to walk this unique path, and I would add something... to feel. True really speaks to us, we are able to feel it, not just know it is there.

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Post by Lynskha on 31.08.17 10:58

...Truth/True really speaks to us, we are able to feel it, not just know it is there

just trying to correct the previous post. English is not my first language, so my apologies for eventual mistakes.
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Post by Lynskha on 09.11.17 14:29

When I first wrote this post, I was in the very beginning of my contact with Asetianism.
I am still at the beginning, learning, understanding, but I had some experiences through these 3 months already.
I posted a personal view, the same I posted here, in a FB group.
I had some people making nice comments, some did not know about it and got interested, others had a very basic notion, but enjoyed reading more about it.
I also had a very strong and contrary opinio (which I respect), however there were some lies and misinformation too.
So that was my first contact with something like that. My first notion about how some people see Aset ka.
I had read some things here in the forum, that in the past, there used to be some debates and even arguments about it.
So now I could see it actually happening.

I would like to make another comment. Some people, from other paths, had a nice and respectful opinion, and those I consider to be very mature points of view.
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Post by Nightvein on 16.02.18 6:28

In my tradition we have no respect of persons because this is a lie. If one respected another out of order this would be corrupt, really if we respected anyone based on anything aside from the fact that you feel like respecting someone, naturally, then what is your point? So... aside from being submissive we commonly behave as we do... and then there is law (the Ten Commandments). Well-written post by the way. I donít know why but I could never understand aset-ka or asetian... I read so much I couldnít seem to absorb anything. Maybe it isnít for me though. 😉

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Post by Lynskha on 16.02.18 10:46

And what would be your tradition?
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Post by A.Nightside on 16.02.18 17:33

I think conflict could arise. Mainly due to who or arrogance and assumption or misunderstanding.

I no longer have a nightside profile on FB but I still lurk on the publicly viewable groups related to vampires and otherkin. I think I saw the post you're referring to but it was still new with not too.many responses when I looked.

I think a lot of people, vampire or not tend to take the information they're [spoon] fed and forget to take into account that all individuals are flawed. Even if the source's intentions are good and even of they're only sharing the "facts" they were told. Those seeking knowledge do not seek knowledge with hunger and curiosity and are often satisfied too easily. Even from trusted sources I will ask for references or corresponding sources. I will seek other opinions be them matching or conflicting.

Not many follow curiosity with an open mind, and of the info they are given is narrow, they may not realize or know any better
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Post by A.Nightside on 16.02.18 17:35

Who should be ego
*If the info they are given is narrow, not "of"
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Post by A.Nightside on 16.02.18 17:37

Fudge nuggets I really need to think thoroughly before hitting that send button

I think the conflict here or in specific groups, if any, may be more take than in most, like the one you refer to
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