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Post by Maxx on 09.04.19 15:04

As you have what you think you can verify only through your self......I, of course, certainly do not agree with your assessment.  Just as Isaiah indicates that the Christ he is speaking of is to be experienced only on an ethereal level, and this is noted in the Nag Hammadi texts, this would mean that some other being is showing up in a physical form.  If a being as this is showing up in a physical form as the Jesus character, then there would be historians of his own time as well as Roman records which exhibit actual facts.  There are none.  Of course, there are forgeries and outright lies written by Christian so-called historians which can produce these facts.  

There are some real Beings that do exist and not in a physical form, that can be in contact with human kind....but Satan, naw.   Lucifer, of course.   Jesus, naw.

This is why I could never be a watcher, (they would not want me in the first place and I would never desire to be a part of it) as I have no respect for what your so-called proof is.  I would be embarrassed to stick that out as proof.

But if that makes you comfortable, then go right ahead and stand on it.  One of us nullifies the other.  lol.
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Post by Lightseeker on 09.04.19 15:14

Maxx wrote: Just as Isaiah indicates that the Christ he is speaking of is to be experienced only on an ethereal level, and this is noted in the Nag Hammadi texts, this would mean that some other being is showing up in a physical form.

Yes, some Essene and Gnostic texts can be interpreted in such a way, but there are just as many others that speak of a physical manifestation of the Messiah (in the Qumran scrolls) or the Christ (in the Gnostic texts). However, that was not the point of my disagreement here. What I meant was that I have proof by first-hand occult experiences that both Christ and Satan definitely exist NOW as entities and can very much be contacted by humans. As for Lucifer, yes, this being also exists, although if that is really his original name is open for debate. I'm sure you know that the name "Lucifer" in the Vulgate translation of the Bible (Is 14,12-14) refers to a historical Babylonian king.

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Post by Lightseeker on 09.04.19 15:19

As a sidenote, you'll probably disregard this as well, but are you familiar with the Anthroposophical writings of Rudolf Steiner (I speak German fluently so I read a lot from him)? In my opinion he was one of the greatest occultists of the 20th century and he very clearly stated that the incarnation of Christ in the body of Jesus (albeit in an interpretation that is somewhat removed from orthodox Christianity) and his crucifixion on Golgothat are historical facts which hold great occult significance?
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Post by Maxx on 09.04.19 15:23

that is why I posted in the other section....other....last night for you to see.

I have much respect for Steiner in certain areas but I do not agree fully with his fascination with Christianity which I have stated.
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Post by Maxx on 09.04.19 15:26

and of course, I am familiar with the name background of Lucifer....which is nothing but a Roman wording.
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Post by Maxx on 09.04.19 15:33

well, I see you left before you could read and answer.

So can you guess why I posted a video on R. Steiner the night before you ever mentioned it here????? lol. Odds are kind of way out there of that happening just by chance.
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Post by Lightseeker on 09.04.19 15:35

Maxx wrote:that is why I posted in the other section....other....last night for you to see.

I have much respect for Steiner in certain areas but I do not agree fully with his fascination with Christianity which I have stated.

Lol, that's funny Very Happy I didn't see THAT particular post of yours until you told me about it now and I looked through the forum again.
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Post by Lightseeker on 09.04.19 15:43

Btw, you might find Steiner's Egyptian freemasonry interesting? He lead a lodge of the so-called Memphis-Misraim-rite (he got the charter from the pre-Crowleyan OTO under Theodor Reuß) for some years before he founded the Anthroposophical Society.

His rituals (which aren't the same as the ones supposedly steming from Cagliostro) were only recently published in the (German) volumes of his collected works - an English translation also exists, although I'm not sure if it contains the complete rituals.

Anyway, in case your interested, it is available on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Freemasonry-Ritual-Work-Misraim-Service/dp/0880106123/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=steiner+misraim&qid=1554846116&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
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Post by Maxx on 09.04.19 15:58

yes. I had already seen it. thanks.
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 10.04.19 6:17

Sounds very much like Rudolf Steiner's thoughts, Lightseeker - the mention about the balancing force between Ahriman and Lucifer. Are you familiar with his works?

I do not think neither Satan nor Christ nor Lucifer are mere egregores. Everyone is free to their opinion, but I have had experiences. Much seems to indicate that they are not merely egregores in my view. Of course they might be overshadowed as real entities by egregores created by people over time who did not establish direct contact with these beings. It is all up for personal experience to attest to. No book can be taken as valid source without that. I know Luis Marques mentions in the Asetian Bible section of the Violet Throne how they are merely egregores, but he even himself invites criticism and states that no knowledge is absolutely definitive but ever evolving, if I am not twisting his words here. Besides, he did not go over detail stating why they are supposedly egregores but merely made a statement about it without any further backed up reasoning, with all due respect to the author of course. He may have had his own personal reasons for that as I do not doubt his ability whatsoever but to merely take it at surface without any personal insight through backed up experience is quite dogmatic, and blindly believing.
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 10.04.19 6:20

Oh... I posted this without knowledge of the second page of this forum thread; this was in reply to Lightseeker's last reply on the first page. Haha. Wall
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Post by Maxx on 12.04.19 12:33

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Maxx wrote: Just as Isaiah indicates that the Christ he is speaking of is to be experienced only on an ethereal level, and this is noted in the Nag Hammadi texts, this would mean that some other being is showing up in a physical form.

Yes, some Essene and Gnostic texts can be interpreted in such a way, but there are just as many others that speak of a physical manifestation of the Messiah (in the Qumran scrolls) or the Christ (in the Gnostic texts). However, that was not the point of my disagreement here. What I meant was that I have proof by first-hand occult experiences that both Christ and Satan definitely exist NOW as entities and can very much be contacted by humans. As for Lucifer, yes, this being also exists, although if that is really his original name is open for debate. I'm sure you know that the name "Lucifer" in the Vulgate translation of the Bible (Is 14,12-14) refers to a historical Babylonian king.


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(that name always makes me wonder if you have joined the Masonic lodge and you are still seeking more Light?)  lol.

Where I mention egregores as Jesus and Satan, the fact that you and a couple of others here mention you have first-hand experience calling up these beings.....does not prove they are not thought forms.  For instance, the entire Catholic system functions on thought form beings being fed energy by millions of people that keep the form appearing and
by being fed this energy to keep them active and I include Mary in this topic. How do you personally know what you are dealing with is the real thing or only a thought form or egregore?   That is really how they work as you should know.

Also, I want to ask you specifically about Satan and Jesus being visible eons before the age of Christianity in the astrology systems world over.  Also, the planet Saturn appears to be the origin of the name Satan or maybe SANTA Claus...lol.  Jesus has his place in the sky also.  How would you explain away this obvious connection long before the supposed appearance of a real-life person as Jesus?

Manu or Issa was certainly crucified because he led an uprising against the Roman army as he wanted to be Emperor.  He lost.  Yet he was taken down before actually dying.  Records do show this event as well as many other actual events that tie to the story of the bible Jesus.  You know the Romans had to keep excellent and accurate records of everything.  This is why I say this Jesus Bible story never happened because it cannot be found there.  I also assume you are aware that account called Archko volume is fake as well as just about everything written about Christians by Josephus Flavius is slanted for a great big reason...lol.
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Post by Lightseeker on 12.04.19 13:26

MysticLightShinethForth wrote:Sounds very much like Rudolf Steiner's thoughts, Lightseeker - the mention about the balancing force between Ahriman and Lucifer. Are you familiar with his works?

Yes, I am very familiar with his works, in fact I've studied them quite extensively. And you are absolutely correct about the parallels to his conception of Ahriman and Lucifer. It is interesting to note that Steiner originaly saw Lucifer as a quite benevolent entity in early years (even publishing a journal called "Lucifer-Gnosis") but then recognised the dangers that Lucifer poses for the evolution of humanity.
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Post by Lightseeker on 12.04.19 13:42

Maxx wrote: lightseeker,
(that name always makes me wonder if you have joined the Masonic lodge and you are still seeking more Light?)  

I am not a Mason, but I hold a grade in a Rosicrucian lodge that can be seen as eqivalent to the 32nd Degree of the AASR. However, to me that doesn't mean much honestly. We always seek light (meaning personal xepher and gnosis) while we are alive on any plane.

 For instance, the entire Catholic system functions on thought form beings being fed energy by millions of people that keep the form appearing and
by being fed this energy to keep them active and I include Mary in this topic.

I will not deny that we (I am also Catholic) "feed" Christ with our prayers and worship in a certain way. However, this is insignificant compared to the energies we receive from Him through Holy Communion. The offerings we bring through our worship in the mass only serves to build a connection to Him so that we may receive what He gives.

Besides: Imo, Isis=Aset=Mary. Think about that Smile

Also, I want to ask you specifically about Satan and Jesus being visible eons before the age of Christianity in the astrology systems world over.  Also, the planet Saturn appears to be the origin of the name Satan or maybe SANTA Claus...lol.  Jesus has his place in the sky also.  How would you explain away this obvious connection long before the supposed appearance of a real-life person as Jesus?

Astrology is admittedly not my particular field of expertise. I am aware of the significance of Saturn and its connection to Satan though. I am not sure what you mean with "Jesus in the sky" though, would you please care to elaborate a bit?

Yet he was taken down before actually dying.  

Pure 19th century speculation based on dubious and misunderstood gnostic texts.

This is why I say this Jesus Bible story never happened because it cannot be found there.  I also assume you are aware that account called Archko volume is fake as well as just about everything written about Christians by Josephus Flavius is slanted for a great big reason...lol.

Honestly, as I stated before, there are documents not widely known to the public, that can be found in the archives of the Watchers and other occult orders (especially of the Rosicrucian tradition) that offer additional historical insight. However, I honestly don't consider this question as being of so great importance. The spiritual and esoteric significance of Jesus' life and passion and the truths contained therein are much more important than its exact historical verification.

As a sidenote, where is the historical and archeological evidence for the Asetian Empire as Luis Marques describes it? I'm not saying I doubt his account, I'm just stating that - when it comes to historical verification - we have a similar situation here.
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Post by Maxx on 12.04.19 15:23

similar to the Mormons....no coins, building ruins, city ruins, etc. of such a colossal number of people having lived before on this continent. That is correct.

Regarding being taken down from the cross.....I was not referring to your Jesus... I was speaking of Manu---Issa.
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Post by Maxx on 12.04.19 15:27

I am in the 12th degree of the RCs. I have called to discuss that aspect of Jesus being real in their material as well and their reply was that we all have different views freely accepted by the group. I questioned their statements in their study material and wanted them to clarify it. One will never get a specific answer from them on this. lol
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Post by Lightseeker on 13.04.19 11:15

Maxx wrote:I am in the 12th degree of the RCs.

I assume you are referring to the AMORC tradition, it's the only Rosicrucian system I'm aware of that uses a 12 degree system (and it only does so since the so-called "reform" by Christian Bernard)?
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Post by Lightseeker on 13.04.19 11:16

But apart from that, since I have access to the knowledge of the Watchers the "secrets" of AMORC seem like kindergarten lol.
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Post by Maxx on 13.04.19 11:47

We seem to be on a different railroad track from past conversations.   I was never that impressed with AMORC for past "secrets".   That is why I called them out on their commentary with the Jesus character. lol.  

I have caught hell from this site posting things others here could not find in their Aset Ka books they have ordered so they could not accept it as their golden material.... actually, since it came from me they questioned it outright.  Very Happy

And then along comes the material from your friend R. Steiner and presents the way to obtain info is from your own higher source.  Many times I have found my material sitting while submerged in water.  Things seem to come in a more direct way.  ha.  So I seem to be the freak of the bunch here.    But, when you mentioned RCs bunch you did not make clear which group you were speaking from.

I wonder if there is any group website out there that does offer info in the Steiner method other than his old Theosophical site without the religious connection and to just move into the metaphysical telephone booth technique. ha. I suppose I could go sit in the water and ask.......
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Post by Maxx on 14.04.19 11:10

well, that did not take long at all. Found it the next day after asking.
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Post by Lightseeker on 14.04.19 11:37

Maxx wrote:well, that did not take long at all.  Found it the next day after asking.

Care to share your finding?
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Post by Maxx on 14.04.19 11:53

yes. go get in a tub of water. I will send it over.
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Post by Lightseeker on 14.04.19 11:56

Maxx wrote:yes.  go get in a tub of water.  I will send it over.

Lol, I didn't realise you were talking of that kind of information. I thought you were referring to the "group website" you mentioned in your post yesterday.
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Post by Maxx on 14.04.19 11:58

exactly. that is how I got it.
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Post by Lightseeker on 14.04.19 11:58

I don't know about a tub of water, but I did however do meditation floating in a sensory deprivation tank a few years ago. It was quite an experience, to say the least Smile
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