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Post by Dreamer on 29.04.09 19:14

I had a strange question that came to mind while reading my AB today. Embarassed

So it is said that Serket is one of Aset's 7 Loyal Scorpions. Daemons,well, what I wanted to ask is... being themselves daemons, does this mean that they can be controlled by the practice of goetia? Or are they simply too powerful to be invoked and... 'used'?

My idea on this is a bit unclear, since there are many beings that are powerful enough to take control of a daemon by goetia, the more powerful ones, so this got me thinking, what if someone would try to do that with one of the Seven Scorpions? pale
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Jonathan on 29.04.09 21:23

The Seven Scorpions are Elder Daemons. Very powerful creatures from the ancient world, created by Aset herself. They surely cannot be controlled by Goetia and other magickal practices. They were said to have been a determinant factor in the battles the Asetians conquered during the Epic Wars, having killed countless Sethians alone. I doubt that anyone, human or vampire, could take control over such a power...
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Dreamer on 29.04.09 21:31

Jonathan wrote:They were said to have been a determinant factor in the battles the Asetians conquered during the Epic Wars, having killed countless Sethians alone. I doubt that anyone, human or vampire, could take control over such a power...

Oh now that makes more sense...
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Jonathan on 29.04.09 21:35

Were you seriously planning to ritualistically invoke a Scorpion Daemon? affraid
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Post by Dreamer on 29.04.09 22:34

Jonathan wrote:Were you seriously planning to ritualistically invoke a Scorpion Daemon? affraid

Oh, no, no, no... I would never even dare try. No

But now that you mentioned... I believe a lot of (childish) people inexperienced with the arts of goetia attempt to do such things and end up getting severely damaged and hurt. Has anyone ever heard of such cases?
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Jonathan on 30.04.09 12:21

I have heard of a few cases going wrong with goetia and invokation, yes... mostly from my long time contacts in the Pagan community. People have that thing about getting into what they shouldn't and sometimes end up with nasty problems, even in terms of possession. Not good. Neutral
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Aghrab on 30.04.09 12:27

Dreamer, you asked a very interesting question.

I have to agree with Jonathan on this, that Serket and the other six Scorpion Daemons, the personal Servitors of Aset, are only able to be invoked by Herself, not by humans, that would be impossible... I just cannot imagine it. They belong to the Goddess, after all.

And about your question on cases of goetia going wrong... I have heard of more cases not working out than going wrong, because it is mostly kids playing around with things they know nothing of. In other more rare cases, I have heard of a few individuals getting severely hurt or mentally and emotionally abused, by trying to get evolved with something that takes years of learning and a strong Will.

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Post by Jonathan on 30.04.09 12:33

I agree with Aghrab, however I would just add that Primordial Asetians may also be able to communicate and even control the Seven Scorpions. They are a direct part of Aset after all.
What do you think?
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Post by Aghrab on 30.04.09 12:37

Jonathan wrote:I agree with Aghrab, however I would just add that Primordial Asetians may also be able to communicate and even control the Seven Scorpions. They are a direct part of Aset after all.
What do you think?

I never thought of this, actually, but now that you brought it up, it can make sense. I am more than sure that Primordial Asetians, and perhaps a few very special Elder Asetians communicate with these special beings.

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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Victoria on 30.04.09 13:50

Jonathan wrote:I have heard of a few cases going wrong with goetia and invokation, yes... mostly from my long time contacts in the Pagan community. People have that thing about getting into what they shouldn't and sometimes end up with nasty problems, even in terms of possession. Not good. Neutral

This is why only the evolved, mature and responsible beings can survive in the occult world, and the ones that are not, only fade away. I personally find it disgusting when people attempt to use magick for personal reasons of showing off, or simply attempt to do something as goetia when they know the consequences may be dangerous, and at rare times, even deadly. There are just too many irresponsible people who do not deserve to be evolved with such things.

And as for your question on the Seven Scorpions, Dreamer, I would have given you the same answer as the other users.

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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Aghrab on 30.04.09 14:04

Victoria wrote:I personally find it disgusting when people attempt to use magick for personal reasons of showing off, or simply attempt to do something as goetia when they know the consequences may be dangerous, and at rare times, even deadly. There are just too many irresponsible people who do not deserve to be evolved with such things.

I understand what you mean, Victoria, I myself feel the same towards beings who disrespect magick, and ones that irresponsibly use it.

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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Victoria on 30.04.09 14:11

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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Gilded on 30.04.09 14:23

Even though I've never heard of any cases of goetia going wrong, I can also understand how you all must feel towards those kinds of people.
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Victor on 30.04.09 19:32

I must say that besides Aset only the Three Primordials would have the power to invoke and control the Seven Scorpions, especially Serket, their fierce leader. It makes sense for them to oblige to no one, except the leaders of the Aset Ka.
I doubt that any other Asetian Elders would have the power to tame such dark creatures of no fear... beings made out of pure flame.
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Phoenix on 01.05.09 15:29

I agree with those who feel only Her Highness Aset and the Primordials would have control over the Seven Scorpions. I also speculate that the Seven would have a degree of loyalty to the AK leadership.
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Victor on 02.05.09 16:45

Unbreakable and outstanding loyalty to the Higher Magisterium of the Aset Ka.

I could not agree more...
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Nebibi on 30.07.10 7:26

Do any of you believe that there would be sigils for these 7 powerful daemons? or perhaps enns?

These are probably not public if they do exist. But do any of you think there may exist internal works that consist of their sigils? Perhaps there is a different way of evoking or evoking these beings. Do you think the Asetians have a different form of evoking daemons in general?

- Just curious
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Jonathan on 30.07.10 10:53

That's a good question, but I believe that only Aset and maybe the Primordials would be able to call upon such force as the 7 Scorpions. Their power would be far too great to imagine...

I do think they have their own techniques, practices and internal sigils and secrets to evoke daemons in general though. Like maybe an ancient form of goetia. Ancient Egyptians were known for harnessing such powers very well.
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Divine 277 on 30.07.10 12:49

This is probably what every one is talking about ???
http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Mathers-Goetia/index2.html

But there are other older forms ....

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Post by Divine 277 on 30.07.10 12:58

Btw : (in theory) Moses practiced this kind of magic when he parted the sea for the Israelite s.

And its suppose to be the 6 and 7 Th book of Moses.
( old testament )

Yes, I know it is excluded from the bible to day... (damed the Vatican Razz lol... )
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Post by Divine 277 on 30.07.10 13:16

We have many myths around the subject of 7.

Greek : the 7 sisters , the companions of Artemis.

Roman(Syriac Origins): Seven Sleepers of Ephesus.

Celtic: Cycle Mythologique.
"I am the wind that blows upon the sea,"
sang Amergin;
"I am the ocean wave;
I am the murmur of the surges;
I am seven battalions;

I think I can go on all night...
But I'm not going to ....
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by Kalb on 30.07.10 13:45

Nice post. Thank you.
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Post by Divine 277 on 01.08.10 14:00

Stalker wrote:Nice post. Thank you.

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Post by Aleina on 01.08.10 17:24

Phoenix wrote:I also speculate that the Seven would have a degree of loyalty to the AK leadership.

I can definitely agree with that. I believe that they might even protect the Elders.
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Re: Seven Scorpions and Goetia

Post by AndreiaLi on 27.10.10 17:48

I have questions concerning the Seven Scorpions.

Although they are deamons, could they actually be incarnated in human bodies (like Asetians)?

If they can what would they feel towards the Aset Ka and Asetians?

How would their awakenning be processed in that case?
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