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Post by Dreamer on 02.05.09 19:14

I decided to purchase a large book of Ancient Egyptian Gods and Goddesses, so that I can learn more about the deities, even ones not connected to the Asetian path... so I came across two deities that I could not tell them apart. Horus (Heru) and Khonsu, or (Khens and many other spellings for his name). They appear so much alike to someone who is new to all of this, until you notice that Khonsu has the Moon symbol above his head, when Horus often has the Pharaoh's crown. But both appear as Falcon-headed Gods. Those two deities seem to be the only two being so alike. Is there a significant reason behind this? Is Khonsu another face of Horus? Or is Khonsu another incarnation of Horus? confused

I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this.
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Daniel09 on 02.05.09 19:34

It would not surprise me if they were the same. They do appear very much alike, and Khonsu would seem to translate as Serpent King, and not Placenta King like the site I went to so blatantly said. Horus as ruler of the sky automatically attributed him with moon and sun for Egyptologists, but if, like Khonsu, he was ruler of the moon (or night sky), it would line up well. At least that's how it seems to me, that there is an intrigueing parallel between them.
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Dreamer on 02.05.09 20:19

Daniel09 wrote:Horus as ruler of the sky automatically attributed him with moon and sun for Egyptologists, but if, like Khonsu, he was ruler of the moon (or night sky), it would line up well. At least that's how it seems to me, that there is an intrigueing parallel between them.

Oh interesting, it did not say this in my book. Neutral
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Hellen on 03.05.09 6:12

I think to answer this question we need to see a God in Egyptian mythology not as one static entity and representation as other mythology and religion understand their gods .
An Egyptian God , could express himself through multiplicity of forms , names , and facets representing different aspects of his personality and powers , while the true form never truly revealed ,also under same animal form could be manifestation of several gods .
A God as in Egyptian beliefs , is never static but always extending , is permanently being reborn and recreating himself ,undergoing change and changing his manifestations and form according to his will .
This could seem confusing but I think Asetian Bible and study of lineages helps for better understanding of this concept .


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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Victor on 03.05.09 12:52

They can - theoretically - have been the same person, although the name of Khonsu seems to pre-date Horus, being far older. Probably Horus' name in the Sep Tepy?
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Ankhhape on 03.05.09 16:17

In Egyptian mythology, Khonsu (alternately Chonsu,
Khensu, Khons, Chons or Khonshu) is an ancient lunar deity, from before
formal structure was given to a pantheon.

Etymology

His
name reflects the fact that the Moon (referred to as Aah in Egyptian)
travels across the night sky, for it means The Wanderer, and also had
the titles Embracer, Pathfinder, and Defender, as he was thought to
watch over night travelers. As the god of light in the night, Khonsu
was invoked to protect against wild animals, increase male virility,
and to aid with healing. It was said that when Khonsu caused the
crescent moon to shine, women conceived, cattle became fertile, and all
nostrils and every throat was filled with fresh air.

Khonsu can
also be understood to mean king's placenta, and consequently in early
times, he was considered to slay the king's (i.e. the pharaoh's)
enemies, and extract their innards for the king's use, metaphorically
creating something resembling a placenta for the king. This
bloodthirsty aspect leads him to be referred to, in such as the Pyramid
texts, as the (one who) lives on hearts. He also became associated with
more literal placentas, becoming seen as a deification of the royal
placenta, and so a god involved with childbirth.


Khonsu depicted as a falcon wearing the moon-disk on his head

History

Khonsu
gradually replaced the war-god Monthu as the son of Mut in Theban
thought during the Middle Kingdom, because the pool at the temple of
Mut was in the shape of a crescent moon. The father who had adopted
Khonsu was thought to be Amun, who had already been changed into a more
significant god by the rise of Thebes, and had had his wife changed to
Mut. As these two were both considered extremely benign deities, Menthu
gradually lost his more aggressive aspects.

In art, Khonsu was
depicted as a man with the head of a hawk, wearing the crescent of the
new moon subtending the disc of the full moon. His head was shaven
except for the side-lock worn by Egyptian children, signifying his role
as Khonsu the Child. Occasionally he was depicted as a youth holding
the flail of the pharaoh, wearing a menat necklace. He was sometimes
pictured on the back of a goose, ram, or two crocodiles. His sacred
animal was the baboon, considered a lunar animal by the ancient
Egyptians.


Looks like Horus to me!
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Dreamer on 03.05.09 16:22

Hmmm... bloodthirsty? Twisted Evil
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Aghrab on 03.05.09 16:30

For a very long time I have been speculating that perhaps Khonsu is the name of Horus before he became the Pharaoh... It also makes sense, since as Victor said, Khonsu seems to be an older name than Horus, so maybe that was his name as a young man before becoming a Pharaoh. Also, isn't Khonsu always shown as a young man when in the form of a human and not a Falcon? If so, then this also should make us wonder...

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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Maktub on 03.05.09 16:43

Pharaoh

There are some speculation in the most evolved scholar circles in what comes to the possibility of Khonsu being Horus' name as the Prince of Kemet, before reaching Pharaoh.

The metaphysical symbolism seems to support some of these theories, given that Khonsu had a half-circle in his Crown Shen, reflecting his divine power but his yet incomplete evolution. However, Horus, wears the exact same symbolism, but instead of half a circle, he bears a complete circle in his Crown Shen, pointing to a stage of enlightenment and developed spiritual growth, from his earlier stage as Khonsu. The young Prince that became a Pharaoh.
Many Egyptologists misinterpret this symbolism, and read it as a representation of the Moon and the Sun, which is not the case. This is purely metaphysical symbolism and represents the deities' Crown Shens, their connection to the divine - Aset -, and not solar or lunar facets of their nature. But even if so, the Sun and the Moon would be echoed in Horus and Khonsu as two shades of the same fabric. Two faces of the same power - Aset's Firstborn.

We all know Pharaohs changed their name once they reached power, and Horus clearly is a Pharaoh's name. To the eyes of the world, his princely name remains unknown... and the Aset Ka will surely keep it that way.

The spiritual and deeply Kemetic concept of True Name, or The Name of the Soul, also comes into play in this particular theory. Horus was Kemet's beloved Pharaoh, their divine leader at some point in Pre-Dynastic history, the superior commander of the Army of the Gods... however, the common people would never know his True Name, given the dangers that would bring into his security from such a disclosure. Horus to mankind. Khonsu to his Family. A God torn between two worlds and a responsibility higher than to command a nation... the One to lead the spiritual Empire of Aset through the ages... and into Eternity.

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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Ankhhape on 03.05.09 16:48

Superbly said Maktub
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Syrianeh on 04.05.09 1:41

Amazing post, Maktub. Thank you for sharing the wisdom.
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Victor on 04.05.09 11:21

Amazing insight, Maktub.
Knowledgeable and eloquent, as always.
Thank you for sharing that precious information with us, it actually does contain rare gems for the Asetianists researching that subject.
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Re: Horus and Khonsu Similarities

Post by Kalb on 08.12.09 9:31

Good Post, Maktub.

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