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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Syrianeh on 30.04.09 2:08

Dreamer: Letting oneself be voluntarily dominated by one's Master is indeed romantic and quite powerful, a fertile ground for many intense feelings and a very special way to see a relationship.

But it's not always the woman who is dominated. There are many such relationships where the man is, just like a Concubine doesn't necessarily have to be a woman.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Dreamer on 30.04.09 12:02

Syrianeh wrote:But it's not always the woman who is dominated. There are many such relationships where the man is, just like a Concubine doesn't necessarily have to be a woman.

It makes sense, thanks for pointing it out.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Victoria on 30.04.09 13:57

Dreamer wrote:I believe that every true relationship should have that... the girl being so obsessive in love that she sees her mate as her god. That is quite romantic, and is certainly what the Concubine Asetians seem to offer. Even though in our days something this beautiful is so rare. Neutral

I could say that many Middle Eastern women have a lot of that Concubine attitude and feel, even though due to Islam and what they are expected of, some of them are only honorable, loving and obedient to their husbands simply because they are obligated to. Many even fear due to the rights of the male in the relationship to abusing them, and at some parts of Middle East even rape within marriage now seems to be legal. So fear and religion can play a role in their attitude, which completely takes away from the beauty of it all, but still, there are many Midle Eastern women who naturally have those beautiful ways in them.

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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Aghrab on 30.04.09 14:07

Victoria wrote:I could say that many Middle Eastern women have a lot of that Concubine attitude and feel, even though due to Islam and what they are expected of, some of them are only honorable, loving and obedient to their husbands simply because they are obligated to. Many even fear due to the rights of the male in the relationship to abusing them, and at some parts of Middle East even rape within marriage now seems to be legal. So fear and religion can play a role in their attitude, which completely takes away from the beauty of it all, but still, there are many Midle Eastern women who naturally have those beautiful ways in them.

This is quite a nice post. I know how Middle Eastern women tend to be quite like Concubines in terms of obsession and obedience, even though much of it seems to be by force than natural feelings.

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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Victor on 30.04.09 19:22

You girls are paralleling that whole obedience and worship in love to Concubines, when I actually find it much more in tune with a Scorpion's nature (Guardians). Scorpions are untamed and wild beings, but in love and with their one true lover, they worship him/her blindly and maintain a full obedience and dedication.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Aghrab on 30.04.09 20:49

Victor wrote:You girls are paralleling that whole obedience and worship in love to Concubines, when I actually find it much more in tune with a Scorpion's nature (Guardians). Scorpions are untamed and wild beings, but in love and with their one true lover, they worship him/her blindly and maintain a full obedience and dedication.

Victor, I understand that fully, we were simply focusing more on Concubines...

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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Hellen on 01.05.09 4:27

How Guardians and and Concubines love it is always a fascinating subject to study .
Loyalty and worship of partner as God , seen as Unique , as Soul Mate is definately more specific to Guardians , and indeed very rare .

To my understanding Concubines , even if creating links and obsessions ,manifesting jealousy and passion , are also less dependent to only one partner , submissive patterns being also a manifestation of their dependency and need for interraction.
Guardians , which generally are seen as more independent , and not attached beings , in love they are forever bound to their partner ,to the point their can not even exist without their One.
I think the axis dependency -independency it is a very interesting aspect to study in lineages in general .



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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Syrianeh on 01.05.09 16:17

Regarding what VIctoria and Ahgrab said, I would just like to point out that there is a huge difference between the submissive and obedient attitude of women in patriarcal societies, such as Islam, and that of Concubines. The first follow that behaviour because they are supposed to and afraid not to. And because it is the law. Concubines worship their Masters because they want to, and are free to do so. Moreover, there is no gender to Concubines, though I would go as far as to guess most of them are women.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Gilded on 01.05.09 19:34

Syrianeh wrote:Regarding what VIctoria and Ahgrab said, I would just like to point out that there is a huge difference between the submissive and obedient attitude of women in patriarcal societies, such as Islam, and that of Concubines. The first follow that behaviour because they are supposed to and afraid not to. And because it is the law. Concubines worship their Masters because they want to, and are free to do so.

Victoria already mentioned this. Razz
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Phoenix on 01.05.09 21:23

To all the ladies who have recently posted, I, for one male, believe in total equality. To believe that one gender has an inborn superiority over another is egocentric and reflective of an unevolved spirit.
I feel total worship for my SO (Significant Other) as does she for me. I would not have it any other way - very Guardian of me. I, in no way, consider her less than me. In many aspects, she has skills superior to mine.
THe AB talks of sexual equality. I imagine those males (and perhaps some rare females) who cannot free their minds of patriarchal programming are very clearly not Asetian.
As a male, I am humiliated and sadden by how my gender often treats women and girls, particularly in the "third world" counties. Disgusting often describes many of their weak-minded, religion-driven acts.
Perhaps a systems reboot to the Neolithic gylany described by deceased archeologist Marija Gimbutas would redirect humanity onto a better path.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Jonathan on 02.05.09 12:38

Hellen wrote:How Guardians and and Concubines love it is always a fascinating subject to study .
Loyalty and worship of partner as God , seen as Unique , as Soul Mate is definately more specific to Guardians , and indeed very rare .

To my understanding Concubines , even if creating links and obsessions ,manifesting jealousy and passion , are also less dependent to only one partner , submissive patterns being also a manifestation of their dependency and need for interraction.
Guardians , which generally are seen as more independent , and not attached beings , in love they are forever bound to their partner ,to the point their can not even exist without their One.
I think the axis dependency -independency it is a very interesting aspect to study in lineages in general .



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Syrianeh wrote:Regarding what VIctoria and Ahgrab said, I would just like to point out that there is a huge difference between the submissive and obedient attitude of women in patriarcal societies, such as Islam, and that of Concubines. The first follow that behaviour because they are supposed to and afraid not to. And because it is the law. Concubines worship their Masters because they want to, and are free to do so. Moreover, there is no gender to Concubines, though I would go as far as to guess most of them are women.
I believe both of you made a great point with your posts. I fully agree, with both. The details you both pointed out are relevant for the study and understanding of worship/submission/obedience in Asetian lovers. It seems to be still much of a taboo subject in the study of Asetianism, the cases of submission and worship in their True Love relationships. Personally I find it a very alluring, romantic and interesting subject to study, develop and discuss.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by shinyspoongod on 16.05.09 19:22

I'm certainly moved to say the guardian, if for no other reason than because that's a representation of what I would like to be, both as a lover, and as a whole person, if there ever is or should be a difference. (which I doubt there should, since the inherent beauty of the type of person, allowing them to exhibit those characteristics to such an immaculate degree, would certainly do so quiite naturally, if only in a more passive and closed sense towards the "others", as others have well said. That sort of intimate devoted love, it strikes me as something I'd like to exhude, even as a pure energy)

There is quite obviously (I hope) a purpose for everything and everyone, however slight in apparent significance. In the end, I can't say I favor anything for any other reason than it catches my attention, makes me think, and additionally brings about both a spiritual and carnal desire to succeed in some similar manner or direction. True both of my penchant for swiss cheese (emmanthaler) and baby swiss, and my nearly fatal attraction for one tall, statuesque brunette beauty with captivating eyes that absolutely takes my breath away, or an inexplicably strong calling towards a full-moonlit night sky; I believe that whatever the cause or purpose, the existence of the force itself is undeniable. That sort of pull is something that I feel when I envision myself being anything similar to what others describe as the Scorpion/Guardian lineage.

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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Daniel09 on 16.05.09 21:02

Welcome to the site, my friend. Post an introduction if you would, I'd like to know more about you. As for your attraction to the lineage of scorpions, it's a pull many of us feel. The Asetians have an allure that's unlike any other, because they personify such perfect beings (to me). Personally, they are the lineage I see reflected in myself deeply, though I can't say I've felt the love just yet. I don't think that will happen for many years, but I have felt the beginnings of it, and it is intense.

But Guardians, Viperines, and Concubines; they all have parts of what every person would be at their best. It's amazing really. Then, there's the types of people that just plain don't lead, but make a great difference by following, and they're represented as the Keepers. I can't help but feel the power emenating just from thinking about the grand artwork that is the Aset Ka and the Asetians. It's beautiful.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Jonathan on 16.05.09 21:11

Welcome to the vampire community, shinyspoongod. It is always great to see new people joining this great community. If you don't mind, pay us a visit on the Off Topic section and take some time to introduce yourself and allow us all to know you a bit better, it will be our pleasure.

Daniel, I fully agree with your post. The Asetians, and everything that is simply connected to the Aset Ka has such a beauty that sometimes is just breathtaking to properly realize it. Also you did well to mention the Keepers, many forget about them and just focus on the Asetians, but the Keepers are an invisible but yet mighty force. For their honor, for their dedication and for their knowledge, they are beings that deserve our utmost respect. Not to mention that naturally they are the ones closer to the Asetians, their most intimate friends and allies... part of their Family, and that alone says a lot.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by AnaInDark on 19.09.09 11:09

I must say that the Viperines inspire me the most, being such powerful leaders. The AK would have fallen at the start without the Vipers.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by ladymoontear on 21.03.10 12:37

I know this post is old, but I can't help but comment. Out of the three lineages, the Guardians is the least I feel related to. I do feel the compassion to my my lover. That is the ne thing the Guardians and I do have in common, that dedcation and the one thing the Concubines and I don't share is the obsession. Most other traits I do share with the Concubines and the Vamperines. I could say I am quite social do to my job and where I choose to spend some of my time. But if you looked closer at it, once I'm home, that is where I stay. I only go out to be with my select friends and or my spouse. And sure, I work with children, they give off such great and free energy, just like the places I go, its so freely given. But like the Vamperines, I suffer for it doesn't last. No energy does for me, I can pull energy from the elements around me, that screams Guardian, but the other Lineages can do this as well. Just as all Lineages do interact with others, the Vamperines interact socially just as the Concubines do, as I do. The Vamperines can mask what they are- 'inducing change in the minds and enviorment around them". Now whether I do this, I can't tell you. Or if I'm more like the Concubines and am just more adapting to my enviorment. What I can tell you is this, when I am in that enviorment those I choose to be around, come around, those I don't wnt near me, stay away. Those who are my friends I love dearly as they love me, almost as much as I love my spouce, only differently. And we are all dedicated to each other, protective. As our friend "K" who is the alpha said to my husband the following weekend we were all together after I had spent the previous weekend with them, my husband had told him, "Dude, thanks for watching over my wife, she's very important to me. There are some who won't leave her alone right now." "K" told him after he hugged me, "We love her, don't know what it is about her, but she's like family. Any time she wants to come up and be with us, she's welcome here, send her on up. Anyone tries to come near her, they aren't going to like the outcome." I don't use "K's" name here because he is like family, they all are, I love them dearly. And they have held true to that statement. Anytime I go to see them, I do feel protected and loved. "K" will drop just about everything for me, he feels me as soon as I walk through the door, they all do. There is nothing that gets by him. So I feel somethng from each Lineage.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Jonathan on 22.03.10 0:18

I'm sorry to interrupt with something not so constructive, but I found it important to refer that the name of the Serpent Lineage is Viperines, and not Vamperines.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Naverya on 25.03.10 10:23

I would have to say the Guardians.Their loyalty,devotion to the thing they truly care for,it all seems so beautiful and inspiring to me.
And,maybe exaggerating a bit,I kind of find myself there.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Kalb on 26.03.10 13:11

Guardians.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Meiyo on 26.03.10 13:58

I identify myself the most with the Guardians , they inspire me the most.
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Post by Tambarina on 27.03.10 19:52

Definitely Guardians.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by kameetrei on 28.03.10 23:39

Hello all... haven't posted in a long time, but I thought I'd chime in and give a response in this sizable forum post chain.

After spending the time to read the different responses in this thread I'd have to lean more toward the Guardians as inspiring me as opposed to the Keepers, as the person I have 'grown into' is becoming more and more Like a Guardian.

Interesting.

I bought the AB before remembering these forums, and decided to re-focus my studies to, well... focus. Smile

As an aside, truth has always inspired me and has always led me, and I will be sure to share my reformed thoughts of inspiration after reading the AB. Learning a lot from these discussions alone, though.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by sungodaurora on 29.03.10 10:49

Viperines
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Post by Jonathan on 29.03.10 11:07

I agree with sungodaurora. Viperines to me as well. They are great role models and personify a higher level of existence. The quest for perfection and greatness.
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Re: Which Lineage Inspires You?

Post by Meiyo on 29.03.10 11:25

Jonathan wrote:I agree with sungodaurora. Viperines to me as well. They are great role models and personify a higher level of existence. The quest for perfection and greatness.
Is not each Asetian , on the quest of perfection , greatness , and a higher level of existence?(Being an Asetian already does that , actualy).
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