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Post by Hioman on 31.01.10 15:57

Is there any relationship between the Kemetic Order of Aset Ka and other orders? I say both in relation to common knowledge and common practices of the Holy Order and others. For
example, if there is a meeting point between the Rosae Crucis (AMORC -
Ancient and Mystical Order Roza Cruz), who also uses knowledge of ancient
Egypt - there's one of AMORC store near my house and I always had curiosity.
As also there is any relationship between the Order of Thelema (by Aleister Crowley) or between the A.: A. :...? What do you think, loyal Asetianists?
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Syrianeh on 01.02.10 3:41

As far as I know, the Aset Ka includes the Hermetic tradition (from which Thelema originates) in its list of supported beliefs and recommended studies. It is mentioned early in the Asetian Bible. I don't have it with me at the moment but I can look it up later.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Kalb on 01.02.10 8:11

Greetings.
Perhaps the most Thelemic people unaware of the existence of Asetians ...
Anyway, There are covens and orders. The main difference is that the covens are usually smaller, and the orders are very large and influential, usually control several covens. The main idea of the coven is growing closer together and exchange high-level information, metaphysics and train high-level wizards.
On the other hand, there are covens that are knowledgeable of the Truth and they give all of himself to them and protect them with his own life and this is the example of Allies of Asetians.
Now... The Kemetic Order Of Aset Ka share knowledge with other covens and orders? Well.. This is very concerning because the doors will only open for those who prove worthy.. on my view there are exceptions and when there are exceptions most of the time all the groups and occult schools stand to gain, I give you the example of the chapters available at AB - Book of Nun ~ The Asetian Cosmogony, Servitors, etc..
There is any relationship between the Order of Thelema (by Aleister Crowley) or between the A.: A? I don't think so. The unique big relationship the Asetians have is with Keepers, the connection is deep and Immortal.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Jonathan on 02.02.10 16:47

I believe some occult orders have or had in the past some relation and contact with the Aset Ka. For example it is quite obvious that Aleister Crowley was influenced by Asetianism in several forms. From his creation of Thelema and it emphasis on the power of Will, to his studies of vampirism and small details like the "Kiss of the Serpent", which was an Asetian concept he perpetuated. Like him, the influence of the Aset Ka and their culture might be silent but it is still quite visible in many other traditions and orders from past, present and certainly future.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by SetAzEl on 20.02.10 22:32

Hioman wrote:Is there any relationship between the Kemetic Order of Aset Ka and other orders? I say both in relation to common knowledge and common practices of the Holy Order and others. For
example, if there is a meeting point between the Rosae Crucis (AMORC -
Ancient and Mystical Order Roza Cruz), who also uses knowledge of ancient
Egypt - there's one of AMORC store near my house and I always had curiosity.
As also there is any relationship between the Order of Thelema (by Aleister Crowley) or between the A.: A. :...? What do you think, loyal Asetianists?

Well, my experience with AMORC is that the material they give out is new age stuff.
As for the order of Thelema and A:.A:. and Aset KA.....well I would say first that A:.A:. is THE Order of Thelema and the sole connection between Asetianism and any Thelemic group is right in the foundation of all of Thelema..Liber Al Vel Legis. Now what I am going to say does not hold for OTO, all the many manifestations of OTO, or even the many lineages of A:.A:. but, I think holds up in view of what Master Luis states in the Aseetiasn Bible and what was dictated to the scribe in Liber Al vel Legis.
Aiwass in my opinion is linked to Asetians ( maybe a Disciple as described by Master Luis in the Asetian Bible on page 75) by the notion that Aiwass is a messenger/minister of Horus or more exactly Hoor-paar-kraat which is a another name/form of Horus ( see Chapter I Verse 7). In Chapter I Verse 5, Aiwass states, "Help me, O warrior Lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of men!" and in verse 6, "Be thou Hadit, my secret centre, my heart and my tongue!" which are just examples of how Horus is the one that is the essence of what is to be unveiled/spoken. In Chapter 1 Verse 36, Aiwass warns, "My scribe Ankh-af-na-knonsu, the priest of the princes, shall not in one letter change this book, but lest there be folly, he shall comment thereupon by the wisdom of Ra-Hoor-Khu-it" which shows the supremacy of Horus over the words that leads to the formation of Thelema.
A few other examples:
Chapter 1 Verse 10, "Let my servants be few and secret; they shall rule the many and the known"
Chapter 2 Verse 22," I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.
Chapter 2 Verse 51, "Purple beyond purple: it is the light higher than eyesight"
There are many references to Kisses given to the prophet as well which is interesting in it self. There are many snake references as well throughout the book as well.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Jonathan on 24.02.10 4:39

Nice post, SetAzEl.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Lightseeker on 10.08.12 12:24

I was just wondering what the relationship is between the Asetian Bible and other vampiric texts such as the "Sanguinomicon" or the TOV-Bible? I notice almost verbatim similarities between these writings (for example in the description of "Feeding" techniques).
Just so I am not misunderstood: I don't wish to imply that Luis Marques copied parts of the AB from elsewhere or that other orders and groups copied from him. I was just wondering if perhaps some ancient manuscripts exist within the vampire community that may be a source of information for various different orders and traditions. What is your opinion on this?
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Post by Jonathan on 10.08.12 14:35

Those concepts are pretty much universal and they are not property of the Aset Ka or any other order. Just like many other occult concepts they are used by different groups and within different traditions. Very much like Astral Travel, Ritual Magick, Energy Work... everyone uses those terms.
Now the relationship between the Asetian Bible and the TOV Bible or the Sanguinomicon is none. If you study those books in detail they are not comparable. The Asetian Bible brings a complex layer of occult teachings those other books lack, but those teachings are sometimes subtle and not always easy to understand. The new book, Liber Aeternus, provides another layer that develops on what has been previously taught and this is a long journey.
The concepts that I do consider to be exclusive to the Aset Ka are the Dark Kiss and the Dark Mark (Asetian Sigil), but even those have been copied by others like those kids pretending to be Asetians with tattoos from a computer game that we have discussed on another thread.
There are other concepts and practices that are exclusive to the Asetians but feeding is not one of them.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Lightseeker on 12.08.12 12:25

Another question that came to my mind was the possible relationship between the Aset Ka, the Red Order of Set and the Temple of Set which was founded by Michael Aquino after he broke away from the COS after quarreling with LaVey. While I am not a member of the temple I do value Dr. Aquinos occult writings immensly although I also disagree with him in various points. They are some of the few wrtings I have encountered which in my opinion reach the same quality level as the Asetian Bible.
But according to what I read about the Children of Set, the temple would actually be connected to an entity that is hostile to the Asetians. Would you consider this assumption to be correct or am I making a erronous connection here?

Just for information because AMORC was also mentioned earlier in this thread. I am myself a member of a smaller order which also derives from the teachings of Spencer-Lewis. That is how my interest in Egyptian mythology first started.
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Post by Lightseeker on 15.08.12 13:30

Is there really noone here that is familiar with the Temple of Set? I'd really appreciate your opinion on this...
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Jonathan on 15.08.12 21:31

I don't think that the Temple of Set is actually connected with the Sethians and the Red Order of Seth. It seems like the ToS uses Seth only as an archetype and has no real connection with Ancient Egypt and the original esoteric traditions. I also never saw them making claims of any such connection with the Children of Seth.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by Lightseeker on 16.08.12 1:42

Well they do have the core teaching that Seth is the enitity that grants them immortality by "changing" their essence in a way that it can sustain physical death and continue existing after the bodily shell has been dropped.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by N.Augusta on 16.08.12 16:04

Well, Muslims believe in the bible and accept its teachings, but unlike Christians, they consider Jesus a prophet rather than the savior. Most Christians have no idea that Muslims believe in the bible and the Torah. Some Jews believe in Jesus while most do not. With that said, just because they believe in Set, doesn't mean they are affiliated with the Sethians. Wink IF you want to believe they are, then that's fine, that's your choice. All are free to believe as they so wish. Smile But, everyone here, most likely will tell you that they are not which I agree with.
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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by witchmark on 17.08.12 7:25

Well said, N. Augusta!

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Re: The Order of Aset Ka and other Orders

Post by N.Augusta on 17.08.12 17:37

Thank you, Witchmark! Smile
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