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Post by Kalb on 04.07.10 3:44

Ankh.

The Ankh is one of the most sacred symbols for the Asetians, where they interpret it as meaning Eternal Life, a mark of their own immortality. I understand the point, but They feel Life like mortal beings? With the same intensity? I can give you a simple example. In the middle of the ocean there is a simple boat with a mortal being that do not know swim and at some moment a big waves happens and the boat is covered with the waves and sinks, the mortal being try swim, try survivor but he donít know swim.. The agony of Life is very wished until he die. The same moment there is other complex boat with a Immortal Being. This boat has Life buoys and at one moment the same thing happens with boat and the Immortal being have the buoy for save Life and know swim. The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..

Three Ė 3 Ė means Asetian Holy Trinity. I understand the the number is very powerful for Asetians, the connection with Constellation and the number of Lineages. But, three also represents the cycle of evolution. Life, Death and Rebirth. At the point of Baís, Asetians and others Essences like Keepers and Sethians are Gods/Semi-Gods, because they not need two process. Death and Rebirth, They Life forever. The Three is a number more complex for mortals than Immortal beings.

Ankh is a symbol of Gods, I have much respect. They pass this knowledge for world and the unique big thing that the mortal being do was create a mortal/death symbol - cross. Lol. Big part of the world love cross. Admire cross. I understand why Asetians are anti-social and why the Dark Kiss is very rare nowadays.

What is your point about Ankh?

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Post by Hellen on 04.07.10 4:42

Em Hotep Stalker ,



I greet your thought to open this thread .



It is the Ankh that holds whole mystery of Truth and Initiation in so simple and pure symbol . A circle and a cross , a cross and a circle .

No matter where we are Ankh should always be the goal of our contemplation .











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Post by SetAzEl on 04.07.10 9:26

This is a great post Stalker. In my opinion, the Ankh represents a God that has taken on a physical manifestation. For me, the circle represents Divinity/immortality while the cross separate from the circle represents the physical as compared to the cross inscribed within the circle. I do wonder what others of this forum thinks about the Ankh.

Thanks for posting this Stalker.
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Post by AndreiaLi on 04.07.10 16:21

For me, The "knot/circle" on it simbolizes the duality and the bound that exists between Life - Death with the Rebirth (the new beginning). For me the ankh is the symbol of immortality itself, as you refered in the post.
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Post by AndreiaLi on 04.07.10 16:23

It is indeed the symbol of that process. The "cross over", the reincarnation. The symbol of the immortal soul that needs or wants to to encarnate on another body. Sorry the doble posting.
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Post by Aleina on 04.07.10 22:09

Stalker wrote:I can give you a simple example. In the middle of the ocean there is a simple boat with a mortal being that do not know swim and at some moment a big waves happens and the boat is covered with the waves and sinks, the mortal being try swim, try survivor but he don’t know swim.. The agony of Life is very wished until he die. The same moment there is other complex boat with a Immortal Being. This boat has Life buoys and at one moment the same thing happens with boat and the Immortal being have the buoy for save Life and know swim. The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..

Greetings, and very nice post.

I particularly liked this part, so I thought I should give my thoughts on it. I think that the immortal being, if he was stuck in that situation, would also feel a bit of agony. Asetians don't know what is true death, death of the soul, but they do love Life and cherish Life, especially if they have a lover in their life. But of course, they don't know death, and would not be as hopeless as a human, knowing that they would always reincarnate and return, continuing their evolution.
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Post by Kalb on 05.07.10 2:32

Aleina wrote:but they do love Life and cherish Life, especially if they have a lover
in their life.


If? Union above any obstacle. Union is Love, Love is dedication. The connection between Aset and Children is very strong. They are One. Love is One.
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Post by AndreiaLi on 05.07.10 6:29

I also associate the Ankh with Aset and Osiris. Aset with the circular part above, and Osiris with the longer part, being this the symbol of their sacred Love that unites them forever.

Thank you for this post Stalker, the Ankh is a beautiful thing.
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Post by N.Augusta on 05.07.10 15:16

Stalker wrote: but They feel Life like mortal beings? With the same intensity?

Hmm, but they also continuously relive the human experience (school, work, bills, etc.) it's part of what they have to do, so I think they feel life like mortal beings in many ways. And since an awakening can occur at any time (in ones teens, twenties, thirties, etc.) they are most familiar with the human experience. Ex: "An Asetian is usually very proud of his nature, determined about his true wishes and wills, many times eccentric, usually very knowledgeable and many times intolerant." AB pg 95 In short, it is common that they are- prideful, determined- strong will- eccentric- very knowledgeable--and intolerant, which are strong characteristics that result in a very intense individual with a strong mind, therefore they must live life intensely, and I think they really try to live life to the fullest. And they too have their own struggles. However, also consider that there are even more traits per individual on top of the common ones listed. And I'm sure these common traits are developed early in life as ones personality develops, though characteristics of ones personality are always subject to change.

Stalker wrote: I can give you a simple example. In the middle of the ocean there is a simple boat with a mortal being that do not know swim and at some moment a big waves happens and the boat is covered with the waves and sinks, the mortal being try swim, try survivor but he donít know swim.. The agony of Life is very wished until he die. The same moment there is other complex boat with a Immortal Being. This boat has Life buoys and at one moment the same thing happens with boat and the Immortal being have the buoy for save Life and know swim.

Not to be pestiferous or challenging (I promise) but I am trying to understand this scenario which has me lost....First, anyone (mortal or immortal soul in a human body) can die a physical death out at sea as many have. If either a human soul or immortal soul did not know how to swim, then they would die quickly. If they knew how to swim, they would still die, and perhaps quicker if the waters are wild as with hurricanes. The one who knows how to swim, would last longer on calmer waters with a float providing that they are capable of remaining somewhat calm. However, out in the middle of the sea with a float, and considering that they are days/weeks from land and if the current is weak, then more than likely, they will just die from starvation and dehydration or ocean predators. Many variables involved......An immortal in a human body really would make no difference in my opinion. However-- might some Asetians be able to call out for help telepathically, or via his/her beacon and send out an SOS???? Question: Let's say- they (an awakened one) is out there with either their human spouse (love of their life), or child, and only one could fit on the float. The Asetian knows he will reincarnate-- will he sacrifice his life to save one he loves? Well we can't answer that...Some will, and maybe some won't.

Stalker wrote: The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..
Are you referring to physical, mental, or emotional pain? I would think they deeply know pain on all levels.

Physical pain: Of course they feel it. Well, they are in a human body which is full of nerve cells. So, if they suffer from a tooth infection (can result in death if left untreated) which is a deep unstoppable/ unbearable pain that requires the immediate use of antibiotics or else the infection quickly spreads to the brain =the end... I'm sure many of them have stubbed their toes on the furniture and/or stepped on their children's toys around their homes, and said a few nasty words :-).

Mental and emotional pain: Of course the intense personalities also suggests they feel. When reading the AB we feel/sense pain... An immortal in a human body living in the physical world, living the human experience, along with all of the up's and down's in life, through all the variables that everyone else faces/ will face/ or have faced, (lose of loved ones, lose of finances and having to down size ones lifestyle, growing up in a war torn country, and thousands of others variables, are of course experienced. I can't imagine that they don't feel. One can't truly appreciate joy, if one does not know pain. Pain and loss teaches us many of lessons.

Stalker wrote: The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..
How so? Every physical human body must come to an end-- the clocks are always ticking... An immortal in a human body-- will not possibly face cancer? A stroke? Loose their limbs in a war, and be rescued at the last moment from death? Certainly they will, otherwise they would keep the same body, and never leave. Humans die everyday, because the body dies. However, the final end of one's body, it can be very painful, or quite quick and even instant. They trade one human shell for another, as do reincarnating humans. Of course they also feel agony and pain, and mourn when human friends and family members that they love die or when another Asetian dies the physical death-- it could be a long time before the souls meet up again. I think the AB said that some have not come back for thousands of years.

Human souls meet the final end eventually, and when that happens, then there is nothing left for us to carry, accomplish, feel or remember......So while they (the Asetians) may not know the final end (that is debatable, and subjective as such limited information is available to us. Reread the last paragraph on pg.81 and the top on on pg. 82, a few may have/do, though even that was not fully elaborated on) I don't think we (humans) will really feel or know it is the final end when the time arrives. However, remember that billions have and do believe that a person only has one life to live. Bottom line-- we must try to live life/ each life fully.

Hmm, I can only think upon these things with a human mind and understanding-- as is the case for most of us-- which actually is not a bad thing....

Awesome post Stalker--- you got my wheels spinning in thought, though---- I know nothing!!!!! Sorry this is long, but may bring more discussions on the VF
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Re: Ankh

Post by Divine 277 on 05.07.10 15:59

N.Augusta wrote:
Stalker wrote: but They feel Life like mortal beings? With the same intensity?

Hmm, but they also continuously relive the human experience (school, work, bills, etc.) it's part of what they have to do, so I think they feel life like mortal beings in many ways. And since an awakening can occur at any time (in ones teens, twenties, thirties, etc.) they are most familiar with the human experience. Ex: "An Asetian is usually very proud of his nature, determined about his true wishes and wills, many times eccentric, usually very knowledgeable and many times intolerant." AB pg 95 In short, it is common that they are- prideful, determined- strong will- eccentric- very knowledgeable--and intolerant, which are strong characteristics that result in a very intense individual with a strong mind, therefore they must live life intensely, and I think they really try to live life to the fullest. And they too have their own struggles. However, also consider that there are even more traits per individual on top of the common ones listed. And I'm sure these common traits are developed early in life as ones personality develops, though characteristics of ones personality are always subject to change.

Stalker wrote: I can give you a simple example. In the middle of the ocean there is a simple boat with a mortal being that do not know swim and at some moment a big waves happens and the boat is covered with the waves and sinks, the mortal being try swim, try survivor but he donít know swim.. The agony of Life is very wished until he die. The same moment there is other complex boat with a Immortal Being. This boat has Life buoys and at one moment the same thing happens with boat and the Immortal being have the buoy for save Life and know swim.

Not to be pestiferous or challenging (I promise) but I am trying to understand this scenario which has me lost....First, anyone (mortal or immortal soul in a human body) can die a physical death out at sea as many have. If either a human soul or immortal soul did not know how to swim, then they would die quickly. If they knew how to swim, they would still die, and perhaps quicker if the waters are wild as with hurricanes. The one who knows how to swim, would last longer on calmer waters with a float providing that they are capable of remaining somewhat calm. However, out in the middle of the sea with a float, and considering that they are days/weeks from land and if the current is weak, then more than likely, they will just die from starvation and dehydration or ocean predators. Many variables involved......An immortal in a human body really would make no difference in my opinion. However-- might some Asetians be able to call out for help telepathically, or via his/her beacon and send out an SOS???? Question: Let's say- they (an awakened one) is out there with either their human spouse (love of their life), or child, and only one could fit on the float. The Asetian knows he will reincarnate-- will he sacrifice his life to save one he loves? Well we can't answer that...Some will, and maybe some won't.

Stalker wrote: The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..
Are you referring to physical, mental, or emotional pain? I would think they deeply know pain on all levels.

Physical pain: Of course they feel it. Well, they are in a human body which is full of nerve cells. So, if they suffer from a tooth infection (can result in death if left untreated) which is a deep unstoppable/ unbearable pain that requires the immediate use of antibiotics or else the infection quickly spreads to the brain =the end... I'm sure many of them have stubbed their toes on the furniture and/or stepped on their children's toys around their homes, and said a few nasty words :-).

Mental and emotional pain: Of course the intense personalities also suggests they feel. When reading the AB we feel/sense pain... An immortal in a human body living in the physical world, living the human experience, along with all of the up's and down's in life, through all the variables that everyone else faces/ will face/ or have faced, (lose of loved ones, lose of finances and having to down size ones lifestyle, growing up in a war torn country, and thousands of others variables, are of course experienced. I can't imagine that they don't feel. One can't truly appreciate joy, if one does not know pain. Pain and loss teaches us many of lessons.

Stalker wrote: The Immortal Beings do not pain, do not know what is die.. The Immortal being never will know the feeling of agony or the feeling of death..
How so? Every physical human body must come to an end-- the clocks are always ticking... An immortal in a human body-- will not possibly face cancer? A stroke? Loose their limbs in a war, and be rescued at the last moment from death? Certainly they will, otherwise they would keep the same body, and never leave. Humans die everyday, because the body dies. However, the final end of one's body, it can be very painful, or quite quick and even instant. They trade one human shell for another, as do reincarnating humans. Of course they also feel agony and pain, and mourn when human friends and family members that they love die or when another Asetian dies the physical death-- it could be a long time before the souls meet up again. I think the AB said that some have not come back for thousands of years.

Human souls meet the final end eventually, and when that happens, then there is nothing left for us to carry, accomplish, feel or remember......So while they (the Asetians) may not know the final end (that is debatable, and subjective as such limited information is available to us. Reread the last paragraph on pg.81 and the top on on pg. 82, a few may have/do, though even that was not fully elaborated on) I don't think we (humans) will really feel or know it is the final end when the time arrives. However, remember that billions have and do believe that a person only has one life to live. Bottom line-- we must try to live life/ each life fully.

Hmm, I can only think upon these things with a human mind and understanding-- as is the case for most of us-- which actually is not a bad thing....

Awesome post Stalker--- you got my wheels spinning in thought, though---- I know nothing!!!!! Sorry this is long, but may bring more discussions on the VF

I totally agree ...
But I want to add ....that in my opinion I beleive that asetians probably know pain and joy more then humans do,because of all the times they have lived , lost and loved .

If some one would understand feelings, it would probably be an immortal soul, because of there many experiences and different life spans they have lived and that is probably why they are so good at manipulating humans as well.

Humans are not complicated beings, they always have a reason for what they do, and so does an Asetian, but the different is that an Asetian has had many life spans to study the mind and the hart of many beings, including it self and humans.

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Re: Ankh

Post by Kalb on 06.07.10 18:02

Thank you, share your visions all. I understand your point. The physical body/death is a good way for see things... but, If Death was not the body but the Ba? You change your vision?
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Post by Syrianeh on 07.07.10 4:07

This is a great debate, I'm glad the Forum is gaining some momentum.

I'd just like to point out two things:

All you have said about the Ankh and its symbolism is very well thought. Personally, though, and based on the fact that ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs were pictorial sigils aimed at a) a magickal language of symbols as a connecting door to the subtle planes, and b) the subconscious understanding of illiterate people, it is probably much simpler than that. Remember, simplicity often bears the most forceful power.

I tend to think that the Ankh is a symbol of the eternal cycle of life : procreation / birth / life and its celebration / death / reencarnation. One of many theories is that it mimicks Aset's belt knot, resting on her navel / womb. And this would make sense since She is the Goddess, the Mother, the Creator and the Giver of Life.

Of course, there is another Sigil, which is also considered one of the seven Asetian Pillars: the Tyet or "knot". It is very similar to the Ankh but much more reminiscent of the actual knot. That's why it could be that it was originally a version of the Ankh but symbolizing that birthing / procreating / sexual aspect of it (among other things - it is often described as "the blod of Aset" as it is in fact described in the Asetian Bible).



The Ankh is so much more. It is a sacred Sigil that the Gods bore and gave as gifts to the mortals. Often you can see
We can often see depictions of gods (especially Aset) with an Ankh in their hand, giving it to kings and queens as a gift, since they were supposed to be immortal too. The key to Eternal Life. The Ankh is a gift that comes directly from the Gods. In this image, Aset places the Ankh on Queen Nefertari's mouth as if imbuing her with the breath of immortality.



This is just one aspect of the Ankh among many. I am aware of its immense range of meanings, but this is, to me, one of the most beautiful.


N.Augusta: that was a great post, but I do differ on one thing: I believe humans do in fact reincarnate. The difference is that their souls age and eventually die if they are not taken care of and nourished with self-knowledge and evolution.
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Post by Syrianeh on 07.07.10 4:11

Oops, bad editing in my above post. Excuse me.

The Ankh is so much more. It is a sacred Sigil that the Gods bore and gave as gifts to the mortals. Often you can see We can often see depictions of gods (especially Aset) with an Ankh in their hand
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Post by Jonathan on 07.07.10 7:42

Great posts everyone, it is really good to see you all so active and sharing such valuable opinions. I feel blessed to be among you all.

I just wish to add that I agree with Syrianeh when it comes to humans and reincarnation. Humans also reincarnate, but since they lack an immortal soul, the human soul ages and dies. However, the Asetians hint at a possible "solution" for this, which is what they call spiritual evolution, and what holds the secret power to nourish a human soul and keep it from dying.
The main difference between the process of reincarnation of humans and vampires (Asetians, Sethians and possibly Keepers) is that they hold the power and control over their reincarnation cycles. They can chose how, when and where to reincarnate. Humans can't, entering the Universal cycle and wheel of time as any other form of life in nature.
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Post by N.Augusta on 07.07.10 9:42

Uh-oh, totally with you Jonathan (well said by the way) and Syri. I see my thoughts on human reincarnation did not come out clearly in my very long post. Uh-oh, sorry about that guys. Sad

Syri: That was a very fascinating post. Thank you for sharing that!
Jonathan: Your words made me smile, and we are also blessed to have you here.
Stalker: You know my appreciation. Smile

And guys- when I do say some "really out there things" know that it is to shake some things up a bit (in a good way) encourage deeper thought, and more conversations on the truly fascinating topics that we cover here .

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Post by Victor on 07.07.10 10:03

Jonathan wrote:I just wish to add that I agree with Syrianeh when it comes to humans and reincarnation. Humans also reincarnate, but since they lack an immortal soul, the human soul ages and dies. However, the Asetians hint at a possible "solution" for this, which is what they call spiritual evolution, and what holds the secret power to nourish a human soul and keep it from dying.
The main difference between the process of reincarnation of humans and vampires (Asetians, Sethians and possibly Keepers) is that they hold the power and control over their reincarnation cycles. They can chose how, when and where to reincarnate. Humans can't, entering the Universal cycle and wheel of time as any other form of life in nature.
I agree with Jonathan, but this brings up a very interesting question and field of thought that has puzzled most Asetianists for a few decades. If Asetians do have control over their reincarnation cycles, which at this point has become quite obvious that they do hold that power, then why is that we have lost and scattered Asetians in this Djehuty, that the Asetian Bible seeks to call out and reunite?

I have my own views for a long time over this subject, but I am interested in hearing your own thoughts first.
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Post by N.Augusta on 07.07.10 10:40

Thank you for bringing this up. The reasons you listed, are the very same reasons that have made me deeply ponder on this very subject for quite sometime. I too am very interested in seeing others thoughts. I will share mine when I get a moment to sit down and list them.

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Post by Daniel09 on 07.07.10 13:52

It is possible that Asetians are "lost" on purpose, in order to help shroud the Aset Ka. It is known that Asetians can not only choose to incarnate, but choose to awaken (at least, if I remember correctly).
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Post by Kalb on 07.07.10 17:07

I have the same question, Victor. I am not ready to share my views about the things you ask. But, i am totally free to read your words and learn with with. Nice intervention, Jonathan & Syrianeh.
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Post by Talibah on 12.08.11 3:10

This was an excellent thread, and Victor also posed a very good question above. I am wondering if anyone has given it any further thought in the last year?
It will be interesting to see how opinions have maybe changed/evolved.
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Post by Jonathan on 12.08.11 8:00

I agree Talibah, this was an excellent thread. I did give it further thought, but the questions Victor raised still puzzle me to this day. I do have some ideas of my own, but they are nothing more than that.

Maybe it's one of those mysteries that will forever remain one.
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Post by Victor on 12.08.11 19:58

*Start of Speculation Moment*
What if the Sethians have developed a metaphysical weapon that would cause temporary disruption on the control Asetians have over the reincarnation cycles? What if this said secret but powerful weapon was used several centuries ago, during the middle ages? It would explain an era of darkness in Asetianism, and a time where Asetians would be scattered and lost, while Sethian power grew, evolved and regrouped. It would also explain why Asetian power and influence is growing again now, in their chosen time to rise.
*End of Speculation Moment*

A frightening and devastating possibility, if said weapon were to exist or to be uncovered by the ROS. What would you think of such possibility and its potential connection with Asetian history?
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Post by Jonathan on 12.08.11 22:08

Ah Victor I had my hopes that you would join us in this thread again. Thank you for doing so.

Your speculation is at the same time frightening as it is interesting. That could indeed explain a lot of things and put many pieces of the puzzle in place. I won't dare asking if this is just speculation or if you have driven this information from any other sources, as I know you would leave it unanswered.

That was a very troublesome idea. The possible implications are immense. I will get back to this subject at a later time. You gave me much food for thought today...
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Re: Ankh

Post by Kalb on 13.08.11 2:50

The energy of the beacon draws vampires closer, moreover, not just vampires but all types of beings, just check the community. We are all attracted by the Violet Flame. Links are part of essence of Asetian Family, they are United for all eternity, this means that each incarnation They return home, and as explained in the Asetian Bible sometimes Asetians can't awake for different reasons. Looking for Lineages .. I wonder which of Asetians Lineages are lost in time. The constellation of Orion, the mysteries of ancient Egypt are keys to open up the mystery of the Soul of any Asetian. Well. This is my point, and yes.. I agree with you Victor. Asetian Bible seeks to call out and reunite. In fact, Asetian Bible is a True Inspired tool to recover the origin of their own essence. I just want to talk about what i know, and looking for Asetianists, i see that some came by intuition, others by sources, our forum attracts the most serious and who knows if we dot not have Asetians here? Expressing his passion for all Asetianism but still not realizing their roots. Pushed by the essence of our forum. Things change, the Throne is back to Asetians...and i believe it is a matter of time for the whole Family to be reunited without anyone being lost. The unique thing i know is that we are Asetianists and we are here to help Asetians!
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Re: Ankh

Post by Victor on 14.08.11 19:17

I'm well aware on how the Aset Ka has recently recovered highly important Asetians. Someone who they have sought for so long. This year has been a year of great victories for the Aset Ka. The public disclosure of their epic Gathering in the Middle East proved it.

I believe you are right, Stalker. Power is indeed shifting and the Elders are back once more on the timeless Throne.
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