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Post by Void on 20.09.20 13:01

Sypheara wrote:
I left posting on forums around 2013
But I've been seeing you around the forums at least until couple years ago Rolling Eyes Not very nice to lie on you very first sentence. Tsk Tsk
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Post by Sypheara on 20.09.20 13:09

On these forums?

No, I made my account fresh today. The last forum I posted on was OccultForum - and Im being rough as to when I last posted there.

I don't think it even exists anymore, it was around 5 -7 years ago I last posted there from memory.

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Post by Sypheara on 20.09.20 13:15

Apologies, seems my last post was actually in around 2018 on those forums. Seems forever ago. Feel free to search my post history if you think this is me trying some grand deception, rather than an honest mistake.

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Post by Void on 20.09.20 13:15

Sypheara wrote:On these forums?

No, I made my account fresh today. The last forum I posted on was OccultForum - and Im being rough as to when I last posted there.

I don't think it even exists anymore, it was around 5 -7 years ago I last posted there from memory.
Oh so you meant only this forum? You saying unspecified "forums" must have confused me, I guess.
Occult Forums you joined only 7-6 years ago, and was fairly active until 2 years ago, if my memory serves me well.
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Post by Sypheara on 20.09.20 13:21

That probably sounds accurate, and where my brain has fuzzled the timeline as it were.

I have pretty fond memories of the place, I was upset when it was kinda half shut down, then resurrected, and some other weird stuff happened with the admins. In the end just became too much to keep track of and alot of people I was in contact with moved off the boards.

I might have to get back to posting there someday. I cannot remember running into you Void, but I hope life has been treating you well regardless.

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Post by Void on 20.09.20 13:21

Sypheara wrote:Apologies, seems my last post was actually in around 2018 on those forums. Seems forever ago. Feel free to search my post history if you think this is me trying some grand deception, rather than an honest mistake.
No need to apologize, I'm merely tried to clarify some discrepancies that I perceived, purely for my self. I have no involvement/investment in either side of this main topic.
I've seen similar stories playing out in and with many other groups over the years.
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Post by Rhea Kaye on 20.09.20 13:23

I don't know James very well, and I certainly am not trying to feed into drama, but come on now. In this case I feel I should defend him because what's being said simply isn't entirely true.

Sorry but I watch that group. One thing I detest is when people are so ignorant about Asetianism that they automatically assume anyone who speaks about it is a representative of the path, not even bothering to learn the fundamental difference between Asetian and Asetianist yet pretending to be educated enough to speak about it. Not once have I observed James claiming he represents the path or is a spokesperson for it. Seriously, in all his posts I never saw him claim that once.

There is a serious problem with all this and it mirrors the typical incompleteness that rears its ugly head in people when they are confronted with something they don't understand. Using a disagreement with one person who happens to study Asetianism as a reason to dismiss it is rather rotten and oh so typical among people like Belanger and FS and their followers. It's an egoic and easy cop-out.

Also, details can be damned along with that fictional porn actress people enjoy using as their imaginary girlfriend. If we seriously want to talk about worm energy, that is the term I'd give to a man who uses spirituality to try and control others, while also laying a false claim about speaking for the gods, being the chosen one and controlling who can or cannot work with Hecate when in all reality he has absolutely no say whatsoever.  

I understand how heated this sounds but I really detest seeing Asetianists attacked for just trying to spread awareness about fraudulent behaviors. The false allegations about him supposedly trying to speak for this community, made to cover something up, certainly aren't a good look either.  

Also I don't see some of the testimonies used to hold up the point as entirely accurate or reliable. One of those individuals has been insulting Asetianists and the AK as being just "new age psyvamps" for years now so I don't believe her agenda is entirely honest to begin with.

Either way I wish your group well, Matthew, but I certain hope Mark is able to recognize the problematic elements of his behavior and words and eventually correct himself. Because the fact is that if he cannot manage that, he will hemorrhage any respect be might hold on widespread levels. It doesn't even matter what we say here in this forum, ultimately. That particular occult issue stands on its own without any exposure pieces written.
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Post by Void on 20.09.20 13:25

Sypheara wrote:That probably sounds accurate, and where my brain has fuzzled the timeline as it were.

I have pretty fond memories of the place, I was upset when it was kinda half shut down, then resurrected, and some other weird stuff happened with the admins. In the end just became too much to keep track of and alot of people I was in contact with moved off the boards.

I might have to get back to posting there someday. I cannot remember running into you Void, but I hope life has been treating you well regardless.
I'm a wanderer, avoiding attachments, even to my own names. Not worth to be noticed Razz
Life, well that bastard never treated me well, can't be helped. Hope yours been better though, apart from these past few days Very Happy
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Post by Sypheara on 20.09.20 13:42

Fair enough! Yeah its been good.. the last few days have certainly however, been a ballache.

Nobody is attacking Asetianism. Let me make that very clear. They are in, and are welcome within, the PC community.

As for Mark, I think that hes in the right to protect something he has brought through, as gatekeeper and scribe. If you believe in any of his work, at some level you have to believe he has that level of contact - after all, it is described as a channelled text.

Nobody has been controlling of, or held power over anyone. James was simply removed as per my original post for those stated intentions.

I have made it clear to people I don't want them following James around and causing problems for him. He is doing that himself. To their credit, noone else has jumped in on anything as far as im aware. This is very different from what ive been dmed re the poor praxis, as well as people being guarded due to James describing himself as a Asentianist (not here, on our own boards and to people in private messages)

On that note I will copy in a message that one of them put up. I have anonymised it for obvious reasons. But i feel its important in regards to transparency. This was in reply to the person who was being harassed by one of them, after she said she was now guarded because of it.

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Post by James on 20.09.20 13:44

Ok Matthew Robson/Sypheara and this is why you guys continue being exposed and discredited all over the place in the occult community, because you can’t simply address the issues with honesty and openness but instead have to lie and I can easily disprove nearly everything you said.

You did the exact same thing on Facebook by asking people to go where I was posting to do some damage control. Now you’re trying to do it here and good luck with that.

The issue with Larry from Miskatonic was not how you are representing it. On a public group I warned a buyer that Mark Alan Smith would be releasing Queen of Hell again in the future, which Larry denied and called me out a liar for it. A few months later now, as you can see, I never lied and Mark himself already announced a reprinting of the books. So my advice was correct and his was false.

So you're blaming me for giving an honest and valuable advice to a buyer because Miskatonic might have lost a few sales and are openly saying that I should have rather lied telling the guy that the books would never be reprinted again just to help a store? There is only an issue here because Mark and PC have commercial stakes at Miskatonic, so nice try encouraging even more lies and deception of devotees with the reality of publishing.

Next you are saying I harassed one of your members who has a damaging past with another cult. That must be a joke. The person in question is Raven Orthaevelve who was caught lying about me on the PC group and implying several things about me that she made up, like me being Asetian and all sorts of other nonsense I never said. Again, it can easily be proven with some screenshots. (If the admins want them, just ask me.) Also, the irony of this situation is that Raven is a paying member of the Maergzjiran Cabal, a scam group that has been exposed for doing all sorts of actually dangerous activity to their followers, not to mention the pyramid schemes of selling cheap rings from China for hundreds of dollars as mighty talismans. So yeah, I’m pretty sure she is not equipped to judge on what a cult is. As for her claims of harassment, I merely passed on to her my opinions that people in the group have a cultic mentality, which she threw a tantrum saying that I was never allowed to mention PC to her again, a typical reaction from someone in denial and who hasn’t even read what I was saying or was interested in any evidence. A common mentality among PC devotees who are too afraid of facts.

For a brief background with fully documented evidence about the Maergzjiran Cabal please check the following video:


What you are saying that is my mantra as “Only the Gods can judge me” is curiously something I never said. Do you mind sharing some evidence of your words? Because I’m willing to share about all of mine with the admins if necessary. Both you and Mark have in that sentence a psychological trigger, that much is clear, given how much both of you have been whining about. What I did say is that Mark can’t decide who has or doesn’t have a bond with Hekate, that he can’t actually remove someone from a magickal current. Those were my words. I was proven right the next minute when you threw a tantrum lecturing me on how wrong I was and a few hours later on the whole letter by Mark who also felt personally threatened by my simple and valid words.

As for Yuri I have nothing to comment as I didn’t even know him or her. The individual did approach me after I exposed you guys and your lies to share his side of the story, but that was long after I was banned from PC. Interestingly enough, I have screenshots of you telling people of the PC group that I was a sock puppet for Yuri and others "confirming" that. Openly lying just to manipulate them against me. Guess what? It didn't work given their words of support in private.

On Yuri I did say that even if he killed a toad, which is deplorable, that I still don’t buy into your fantasy that he will have his soul destroyed because of it. What about all the rapists, pedophiles, murderers? You’re living a fantasy and that should be obvious to everyone here. You're not in touch with reality. To these words of mine stating that you can’t destroy souls you also threw another tantrum, insisting that you have guarantees that his soul will be destroyed. Also Mark in response to my words wrote how Hekate placed such mighty seals on his hands so that he can do that. It’s a joke. A very bad fantasy. But you’re free to believe in it just the same way you believe you can fully physically transform into a werewolf if you practice PC enough. lol

For reference, this was both unambiguously stated by Matthew and Raven, that studying primal craft allows you to physically transform into a wolf and that it's very dangerous because you might kill your friends by accident. So it seems official Primal Craft gnosis and praxis, placing you guys as nothing more than a fictional sect and not real occultists along the lines of Father Sebastiaan and EA Koetting.

More… let’s see. The person you are claiming that was infringing copyright, he wasn’t actually doing it for money and only asked to cover production costs to devotees who were having money problems during this covid situation. Certainly wrong and illegal still, which is something I even stated in the group and you're intentionally removing from the equation. Additionally he was threatened by Mark that if he didn’t make a show in public apologizing for it he would sue him, so he did reluctantly apologize. That’s coercion.
Not to mention how it shows dishonesty only being interested in the public perception not in fairness or truth, which again it does align with all that has been shown about the cult.

Interesting that you’re quoting a comment from the Hekate group when the same post has countless positive comments in several other large groups, including “Hecate Study Group” and “Vampirology — Occult, Metaphysics, Vampires, Ancient History, Spirituality” where all comments are supportive and validate my views on the situation. So you said I was cherry picking what Mark said, ironic to see you cherry picking the only comment actually defending PC.

As for the werewolf incident where you were exposed as a role-players, are you actually calling a Facebook group sacred space? lol You really have no idea what you’re talking about. People in here work with actual initiatory Orders you know, genuine secret societies, not a current that finds sacred space on social media. That group is nothing but a propaganda tool designed to deceive people into falling for PC, it’s documented as having all sorts of manipulative language, encouraging submission and there’s no current or magick in it given that what is discussed is for the most part just role-play yet again.

But there are even more interesting screenshots from your smaller group than from the public one. As I told you before, a simple apology in private would have sufficed, but instead you chose the road of deception, manipulation and lies. I guess it didn't work well for you.
Try asking yourself why most people are convinced that you and Mark have been removed from the primal current. Some people with a vast more experience than you or Mark, not me.

Also, Mr. Matthew, you asked several people to cease all contact with me. Again, proven with evidence. If you were actually honest in anything you’re saying, why are you so scared of people actually hearing my side of the story?
I also have a screenshot from you in the PC group directing people to not engage with any of my posts but to place likes en masse in every time you comment on it. Funny right?

Also nice detail at trying to turn people of Asetianism against me. I never once said that I speak for Asetianism and everyone in that community are very much aware that I’m new to their system, I stated that numerous times to everyone. It’s not a secret. The difference here is that people in Asetianism know a lot more about magick, spirituality and theurgy than you or those blindingly worshipping Mark. So I suspect that for the most part people will see right through your dishonesty.

Now since you guys are so predictable I’ll just sit and wait for Mark’s next letter throwing a tantrum about me yet again as he did a few days ago.
Good luck in your damage control as you’re trying all over Facebook.

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Post by Sypheara on 20.09.20 13:50

As I said on the Hekates Crossroads group.

Ill just let people read your vitriol, which comes across as supreme jealously of the highest order, and they will be able to make up their own minds. Especially when they see you name dropping people who have specifically requested, that you leave them alone.

Quite rapidly, I suspect.

On that note, wishing the old occult forum guys a great time, not going to blow up your forums with James's victim complex posting.

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Post by James on 20.09.20 13:53

Supreme jealousy of what? Of being controlled and told what to do by the Egregore's Chosen?

Come on, you can be more honest than that. It's typical behavior to lie and run away when you have been caught mate.

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Post by Jonathan on 20.09.20 14:06

I have to ask, why is that someone who allegedly knows nothing about Asetianism or the Egyptian tradition of magick and never heard about the Order of Aset Ka is suddenly and very quickly jumping on this forum to do some damage control about his own group? Suspicious at best and shows that you have this forum under observation.

Also, how does someone on the LHP who works with an alleged current that even deals with Vampirism never heard about the Order of Aset Ka? Do you live under a rock? Do no research at all? You’re passing a testament of ignorance to yourself with your words. I would expect that only from a pre-neophyte starting to dabble in online occultism and new age stuff.
We’re only talking about one of the most influential initiatory Orders of the LHP in Europe, with presence in Asia and the Middle East, and the spiritual tradition that was inspiration for the birth of many covens, traditions and almost the entire vampire movement in the US, which ultimately became its own silly thing with nothing to do with Aset Ka or the Egyptian tradition.

Your entire narrative came as just empty words with no evidence, when James has been providing proof backing his words to people. The entire psychology behind this shows a clear attempt at damage control indeed and has an energy of dishonesty.

My unsolicited advice? I couldn't care less about Primal Craft and never heard of your social media occult group but approach James in private with some honor and apologize. That attitude at least would be worthy of regaining some honor back. If not, there is enough evidence that speaks for itself.
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Post by Maxx on 20.09.20 14:10

all interesting aspects I am sure but kind of old hat here.  Same type of formula we see many times.  Regardless we find the magical current within PC real but there are attachment problems with other things.  No really big problems with all of that.  Both of you are welcome here any time you find a need.

We think the individual should decide for themselves whether to pursue it or not.  Should not be us making any decision for them.

But a read of the Manly P. Hall quote above I still find useful for this.  Thanks to all.

PS.  A real magician can use a phone book as a grimoire and still produce results with it.
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Post by Naoom on 20.09.20 14:21

I will add this here just for clarification, I said I made comments to stop James from what I thought at the time was just creating drama, and I was the one who said what he was doing at the time was Cherry Picking, not Matthew, although others agreed to that. What I didn't know at the time was that James intentions were never to spread drama and that all the points he shared were based on factual evidence which not only him, but others from the more private primal craft groups shared. This included many people who were forced into silence in the public group like James explained. Also after that I searched more about James and saw his first posts on Vampirology and how he slowly learned about Asetianism but was always more than just respectful, I then realized he wasn't a fake or a sockpuppet account. That much he proved by now because he debated here when given the chance, unlike in the other group where I had no idea he was being targeted long before he had to make these comments and raising multiple points but not being given the chance to explain further. I don't think any follower of the path is a representative of the tradition and that is why I left that comment, just adding this here for transparency as well. I don't see anything wrong with what James is doing because I saw his intentions were really only to share awareness and if he wanted to cause drama he would have done so already in far worse ways. About the werewolf topic, there is a huge difference between physical manifestations that manifest through the higher realms in our own, and what people were discussing about full physical shapeshifting, which is fantasy and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to the interconnection of the occult with science, and the ways the planes of existence work.

James didn't lie about anything as far as I am aware, and there are many testimonies of people being told they are being cut off by Mark in his private emails and that he gets to choose who has contact or not. I hope James won't have to share any of the actual evidence because people should be able to see through this by now, and noone wants to create drama, the whole point of this thread was to raise awareness from what I understand, and to that degree it succeeded. I also hope this comes to a conclusion.
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Post by Void on 20.09.20 14:22

Maxx wrote:
PS.  A real magician can use a phone book as a grimoire and still produce results with it.
While technically not wrong, I find far better choices in children section.
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Post by Maxx on 20.09.20 14:28

I would still consider something else with all of the pedo bunch on the loose out there.  lol
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Post by Maxx on 20.09.20 14:31

And thanks to Victor for stopping by and clarifying. I hope his hot tub is filled with Merry Maids who are Vampires.
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Post by Void on 20.09.20 14:35

Maxx wrote:I would still consider something else with all of the pedo bunch on the loose out there.  lol
lol well yes, that is sensitive topics, in these times we have to order picture books online, discreetly packaged, as not to raise anyone's eyebrows.
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Post by James on 20.09.20 14:36

Naoom wrote:I will add this here just for clarification, I said I made comments to stop James from what I thought at the time was just creating drama, and I was the one who said what he was doing at the time was Cherry Picking, not Matthew, although others agreed to that. What I didn't know at the time was that James intentions were never to spread drama and that all the points he shared were based on factual evidence which not only him, but others from the more private primal craft groups shared. This included many people who were forced into silence in the public group like James explained. Also after that I searched more about James and saw his first posts on Vampirology and how he slowly learned about Asetianism but was always more than just respectful, I then realized he wasn't a fake or a sockpuppet account. That much he proved by now because he debated here when given the chance, unlike in the other group where I had no idea he was being targeted long before he had to make these comments and raising multiple points but not being given the chance to explain further. I don't think any follower of the path is a representative of the tradition and that is why I left that comment, just adding this here for transparency as well. I don't see anything wrong with what James is doing because I saw his intentions were really only to share awareness and if he wanted to cause drama he would have done so already in far worse ways. About the werewolf topic, there is a huge difference between physical manifestations that manifest through the higher realms in our own, and what people were discussing about full physical shapeshifting, which is fantasy and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to the interconnection of the occult with science, and the ways the planes of existence work.

James didn't lie about anything as far as I am aware, and there are many testimonies of people being told they are being cut off by Mark in his private emails and that he gets to choose who has contact or not. I hope James won't have to share any of the actual evidence because people should be able to see through this by now, and noone wants to create drama, the whole point of this thread was to raise awareness from what I understand, and to that degree it succeeded. I also hope this comes to a conclusion.

Thank you for the clarification and you know I hold nothing against you. In fact I even say I hold nothing against Matthew or Mark either. This isn't personal. It is their dishonesty that compels me to speak up. That is MY path. I see that many of you here are the same way when it comes to injustice and deception. We are occultists after all, our quest is one of truth. It wouldn't sit well with me to just pretend or accept a lie. On the group Matthew silenced me without a chance to speak or clarify anything. A chance he is being given here now and rightfully so. He felt threatened by one daring to question. Not following the herd. That clearly ended up doing the opposite of what he had intended. That's why I said that if Matthew wants to apologize, by all means, I'm open to talk as adults. But only if the lies and manipulation stop right here.

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Post by Nightshade on 20.09.20 15:36

When our spirituality is genuine we chose humbleness. When it’s driven by ego the fall is chosen instead.

Either way the decision is always ours and ours alone.
That is why responsibility is so important in our field of hidden gnosis.
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Post by PLM on 20.09.20 18:14

James, let me give you something Mark said to me years ago.....The Gods Chose for Themselves! You are correct and I have your back here. When one seeks out honesty and as Nightshade has stated with humbleness greatness is afoot. In other words, you are on the correct path. Even though I continue to study the Trident.....Mark should be told....I, to this day, encounter great success!

Matthew, try it sometime and leave the world of delusion behind. Know thy self is still a valid starting point when connecting to the occult. Otherwise being swept away can happen, and not all those that claim to be masters are.

I remember and I am going back in my own history....I belonged to a group that stated if you enter and then opt to leave the cup will be withdrawn and you shall die. No one and I mean no one has that sort of power over another. I am not here to argue nor upset you. However, with all things there is truth and lies hidden in most books published. The key is to be able to see it.

Be well.....Be free.

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Post by Maxx on 20.09.20 18:58

Well, I just got a call and got my butt chewed up by a Bull Dog.  I was told "What the hell is wrong with you, are you sick?  You are being too damn nice here today.  Did I have my vinegar and scotch for breakfast as is normal or did I have one of those baby drinks with all that sweet and gooey sugar-coated m&ms in the milk and milk duds?  

Damn, a person tries to be nice once a month and the damn bulldog eats my butt.  What to do, What to do???

So here it is....All of you should just go out back and fight it out and whoever comes back in is the winner.   Good enough???   Fine.  

Now I can have my nightly vinegar and gin and enjoy it.  So there....You remind me of my nicest ex-wife.....
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Post by James on 20.09.20 19:02

PLM wrote:James, let me give you something Mark said to me years ago.....The Gods Chose for Themselves!   You are correct and I have your back here.  When one seeks out honesty and as Nightshade has stated with humbleness greatness is afoot.  In other words, you are on the correct path.  Even though I continue to study the Trident.....Mark should be told....I, to this day, encounter great success!

Matthew, try it sometime and leave the world of delusion behind.  Know thy self is still a valid starting point when connecting to the occult.  Otherwise being swept away can happen, and not all those that claim to be masters are.

I remember and I am going back in my own history....I belonged to a group that stated if you enter and then opt to leave the cup will be withdrawn and you shall die.  No one and I mean no one has that sort of power over another.  I am not here to argue nor upset you.  However, with all things there is truth and lies hidden in most books published.  The key is to be able to see it.

Be well.....Be free.

Thank you so much for your kind words and I really agree with what you just said as that goes along the lines of what got me labelled as this terrible evil to devotees by Matthew and my name thrown around in their private group. A real spiritual connection with primal Hecate is something direct, to the source, people don’t need Mark or false gatekeepers as that only adds egregoric noise and ego reflections. Yourself seems to be living proof of this by still working with the Trident with success!

This does make one wonder if being initiated at mother temple isn’t more of an obstacle to genuine contact with these spiritual powers more than a blessing. Looking at the show both Mark and Matthew made over this, I’m inclined to believe that a more pure primal craft is reached by rejecting mother temple and that may very well be their purpose on the current. A test. Unknown to them of course.

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Your welcome, James. I always encourage a solitary fashion, including self initiation. If one is not provided then have yourself a good old fashion meditation about how to construct one for yourself. Smile It reaps benefits.

I do not study Aset Ka....but folks here have a good handle on matters of the occult. I hang out here because of it. Not too much drama occurs which is refreshing. I enjoy reading posts and replies. They seem to be a good bunch.

Maxx, sounds like you have it made with the ladies! LMAO!

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