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Post by Gargoyle on 25.01.16 10:56

As Aseniasts, if you identify as one, we know the three bloodlines - Viperines, Guardians, Concubines. We also know of other bloodlines such as the Anubians and Sethians. Do you think there is any chance there exists an Osirian bloodline? I know Anpu rendered the throne of the Underworld to Ausar then became the Protector of the Dead and the Asetians; Osiris then becoming the new Lord of the Underworld. But what role does he have to play in all this? After all, he was the husband of Aset. Horus, and his two sisters, can technically be considered his children but in all reality the Primordials were made from Her essence alone. Is it possible he has secret kin, such as Aset with Her beloved Children?
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Post by Jonathan on 25.01.16 11:45

I don't think Osiris has spiritual children because he doesn't have the power of creation. He has great power yes but it's not creational power. That's why only Aset was able to bring him back to life. I do think however that he plays an important role in all of this and is a vital deity in Asetianism as one of the most trusted to Aset, but as far as I understand things he never left a spiritual lineage.
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Post by Gargoyle on 25.01.16 12:12

Thank you, Jonathan. You bring up a good point. Does that mean the other gods, like Anubis and Seth, have the power of creation?
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Post by Gargoyle on 25.01.16 12:15

I hope his role is revealed by the Aset Ka. I am trying to learn all that I can about Asetianism. He is definitely a vital deity but dwells more in the Duat and Underworld. Realms of divine and the ethereal, so it would be harder to reach him as beings incarnated on this Earth.
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Post by Jonathan on 25.01.16 12:20

Gargoyle wrote:Thank you, Jonathan. You bring up a good point. Does that mean the other gods, like Anubis and Seth, have the power of creation?

You raised good questions. To be honest I don't think they do. Their lineages come from different spiritual universes. This is really hard to understand and explain. For example the children of Anubis aren't exactly born out of his essence, although alchemically transformed by his energy of death under the teachings of Aset and Thoth. Then we have Seth who has defaced the teachings of Aset and exploited her creational spark, culminating in the creation of the Sethians. I believe that also explains why there aren't new Sethians and only the ancient ones because even if Seth wanted to create new ones now he wouldn't be able to. He's not a creational force but one of domination. Keep in mind that Sethians and the Red Order of Seth follow Asetianism like you and me, only that it's an altered and defaced form of the teachings initiated by Aset. This is a surprising fact to many people who don't really know about them.
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Post by Gargoyle on 25.01.16 13:23

Thank you very much for this information. I learned a lot thus far.

It really comes down to the nature of the soul and each individual's True Will. Transformation of the soul... by doing ritual, a metaphysical tattoo, absorbing the essence - such as death - or becoming an embodiment or manifestation of a specific god even. And that doesn't mean one becomes the god o goddess oneself. The person would just have the qualities of the deity, similar blueprints of the soul.
Also, I agree with Aset being the inspiration for such things. As far as I understand, in the cosmogony section of the AB, Aset was the first to make (non-human) beings from Her essence by choice. Everything stems from Atem/Atum/Amon ultimately but I suspect he/she/it has no say in the matter. Aset did this on purpose, choosing a bloodline.

I wonder how the Red Order operates, what bibles they use, and who their affiliates are (I have my suspicions).
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Post by Gargoyle on 25.01.16 14:00

Also, I apologize for the spelling error in the OP.

In the first sentence it should be *Asetianists*.
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Post by Victor on 26.01.16 14:47

Nephthys is also an important deity in Asetianism that is often forgotten by modern practitioners. Cosmic relevance and spiritual significance are not tied to the existence of a lineage of the soul, which is an extremely rare occurrence.
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Post by Stellana on 26.01.16 18:17

This is true.
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Post by Gargoyle on 27.01.16 13:53

Thanks for the reminder, Victor.
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Post by Kalb on 31.01.16 17:43

In Asetian Bible is mentioned sometimes "Immortality" and "Eternity," and I believe that this is the necessary tips in order to have a basic understanding of the Gods. I believe that despite Aset, Osiris, Nephthys and Seth are brothers, they were created by a different cosmic force. Eternity is a time without conception, there is no “before” or “after”, and the past, present and future as we think of them all exist together in an eternal “Now”. It's symbolized by the symbolism of Ouroboros. Immortality has a beginning and has no end, but is due to the concept of immortality that the Past, Present and Future arise.
It is said that from the unstable energy of Amon came three deities: Maat, Khepri and Apophis and my point starts here:

Aset, was created by the energies of Khepri - The power to transform and give Life.
Osiris, was created by the energies of Maat. - The power of Order.
Seth, was created by the energies of Apophis. - The Power of Destruction.
Nephthys,  was created by the energies of Khepri.

As Above, So Below. Osiris is seen as a serene and balanced God who gave balance to Egypt, and this may have been the reason why he always be the God who took Kemet account and maybe that's why we see Osiris to fight agaisnt Seth because he was responsible for maintaining peace and balance between the Gods. Seth destroyed this balance, Aset puts it back.
Now, It is mentioned that Nephthys is twin sister of Aset, so, I gather that one of their powers is the same as Aset - Giver of Immortality. I see Anubis as the primordial child of both Gods, through a sexual act.
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Post by Gargoyle on 31.01.16 18:09

Good points, Kalb. I will definitely keep all of this in mind. Thank you.
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Post by Nightshade on 01.02.16 5:35

Kalb wrote:Aset, was created by the energies of Khepri - The power to transform and give Life.
Osiris, was created by the energies of Maat. - The power of Order.
Seth, was created by the energies of Apophis. - The Power of Destruction.
Nephthys,  was created by the energies of Khepri.

I've never seen any reference in Egyptian material to these connections. I see that this is a personal theory and I respect that but I don't agree with it. Maat, Khepri and Apophis are universal principles not deities of creation. The elder gods Aset, Osiris, Seth and Nephthys control those three forces, they manipulate the power of Khepri, Maat and even Apophis, not originate from them.
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Post by Kalb on 01.02.16 6:46

Nightshade: Yes, it is my pure theory. Figment of my imagination. Amon is the dimiurgo, it is the origin of everything and according to him Deities emerged. Therefore, the gods were not created by Gods, they was created by something conscious, a cosmic force. According to the Book of Nun Gods are immortal and not Eternals. At least that's my interpretation, although some parts of the book there is the word "eternal" to describe the gods, which is hard to describe and classify them. Shu and Tefnut for me are also cosmic forces and not deities, who created the Gods? Gods emerged from the cosmic forces, becoming independent and controlling them?
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Post by Rhea Kaye on 01.02.16 9:34

I think certain gods flow into the roles of different cosmic forces and then back out again. It does not make sense to me that these particular deities were created "by" or "out of" these three cosmic forces, although I do respect your opinion - it was interesting. If one looks at Maat and the way it is depicted, it looks strikingly similar to Aset. For our incarnated minds this can be something hard to understand. Even using Aset as an example, she has often been compared to other deities who literally have no beginning point.... they always have been and always will be, according to what is written about them. There is no easy way to understand the "birth" of the 4 Elder Gods. And in my opinion there also isn't such an easy categorization for them and their originating points. It's something mind-bending to think about when we are still locked into these rules of time and space here in our incarnated state. I did enjoy reading your viewpoints though, they got me thinking.
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Post by Gargoyle on 02.02.16 13:14

Yes, I enjoyed your theories as well Kalb. I try to absorb all conceptions of the gods and then gain my own beliefs. Right now I understand as incarnated physical beings we can not fully comprehend the All or the Source. Amon, or Atem, was the first consciousness to arise but the god was not aware at first. If everything stems from Amon everything is apart of him (although he has no established gender) as well. We are all different manifestations of this "Great Work". It explains in many Egyptian texts when certain gods or goddesses were birthed, such as Aset and Her siblings being "born" by Geb and Nut.
My goal is to have my inner model of reality as closest to the outer model of reality as possible. There is such wisdom in the words of Thoth when he stated "As above so below"; if only some could truly comprehend it.
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Post by Kalb on 18.02.16 17:31

Nightshade: I'm still waiting for an explanation from you.

Jonathan wrote:To be honest I don't think they do. Their lineages come from different spiritual universes. This is really hard to understand and explain
Currently, this is a valid theory in science, not specifically in a spiritual plane, but in a really physical, science calls it:  Multiverse. There is already evidence of the existence of life in a different way than we know as animal life on our planet earth. The Tiktaalik is many times compared to crocodile.
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