July 7th

Greetings,

A simple question: Does this day mean anything to you? 7.7...

The Asetian Bible was published on Seventh July 2007. So this is officially its third anniversary.

A very significant date, and a very signficant combination of numbers.

I agree, a very significant and magickal date.

We are here. 3 Years afters.

And may it be a great day for all :-)

The number 7 is considered significant in many cultures, .......MANY CONSIDER IT LUCKY.....amongst others things it can symbolise..... TOGETHERNESS 07..... and can also means...... ARISE 07......

Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden

Is this just a "numerological" question?

Don't forget that this 7-7-7 pattern is valid *only* in our modern calendar. In the ancient civil egyptian calendar it wouldn't be that interesting, from a numerological viewpoint (17 Athyr* 2756), neither in the modern coptic calendar (30 Paony 1723 A.M.).

Regards,
Pyrene

* Curiously, 17 Athyr is the mythological date for the death of Osiris, according to Plutarch. I don't know, however, if this date refers to the ancient civil calendar or to the alexandrian egyptian calendar.

Greetings to everyone,

Pyrene wrote:* Curiously, 17 Athyr is the mythological date for the death of Osiris, according to Plutarch. I don't know, however, if this date refers to the ancient civil calendar or to the alexandrian egyptian calendar.

Well, whether this date applies to the ancient civil or the alexandrian egyptian calendar, the 17th day of Athyr is pretty interesting and shows another pair of sevens, which is quite curious.

You see, Athyr 17 is the 77th day of the Egyptian Year...
So, you *do* seem to have a special mark in that day!

Pyr.

Pyrene wrote:Greetings to everyone,

Pyrene wrote:* Curiously, 17 Athyr is the mythological date for the death of Osiris, according to Plutarch. I don't know, however, if this date refers to the ancient civil calendar or to the alexandrian egyptian calendar.

Well, whether this date applies to the ancient civil or the alexandrian egyptian calendar, the 17th day of Athyr is pretty interesting and shows another pair of sevens, which is quite curious.

You see, Athyr 17 is the 77th day of the Egyptian Year...
So, you *do* seem to have a special mark in that day!

Pyr.

Very interesting Pyrene.

But the egyptian year moved 1 day every 4 years ... and it takes 1460 years to return to the point of the beginning of the calender ....


So my question is, if the calender moved 1 day every 4 years, how do we then know where the calender started, except that it was in summer time ?

I puzzled together a hole post on this, under the topic new years eve ritual.

Sincerely Divine 277

Greetings Divine 277,

Divine 277 wrote:But the egyptian year moved 1 day every 4 years ... and it takes 1460 years to return to the point of the beginning of the calender ...

You should note that the calendar I'm referring to is the ancient civil egyptian calendar, which used a fixed 365-day year, and this is the calendar most intimately connected to the 1460-year Sothic Cycle. How?

Well, as we know the Egyptians used a cycle of 1461 years of 365 days each, at the end of which the Eygptian New Year fell on the day of Sirius Rising (approx. mid Summer). This means that, according to egyptian calculations, 1461 years of 365 days corresponded to 1460 "true" solar years, in the following way:

1461 x 365 = 533'265 days
533'265 / 1460 = 365.25 days

So as you can see, in the ancient civil calendar it was "as if" the egyptians used a leap year correction by adding one day every four years, without in fact making any leap year correction. This is very similar to the system the Maya used (with greater mathematical precision), in which 1508 years of 365 days corresponded to 1507 true solar years, making an astounding average of 365.2422 days by true solar year. This becomes even more extraordinary when we take the conclusion that the Maya used a better calculation for the true solar year than we use, nowadays, with our modern gregorian calendar.

Divine 277 wrote:I puzzled together a hole post on this, under the topic new years eve ritual.

The main message in that topic contained some errors. Particularly, it is impossible to attribute a fixed date to the Egyptian New Year (in this case, July 19th or 20th) because their calendar isn't connected to ours.

Here's a good converter (Java-based) you can use to calculate egyptian dates – according to the ancient civil calendar: Calendrica

Hope this helped

Pyr.

Thank you
It helped a bit, but I'm still confused :S

Its stated more then one place that the Egyptians celebrated the rising of Sirius at new year ... and to day Sirius rises between the night between 25 and 26 of July or between 26 or 27 of July ( in our calender to day ).... ( depending on where you are on the globe )

Doesn't this imply that the new year would change every year until the 1460 year circle was for filled, to begin once more ? ( just a guess: but I think It has something to do whit the constellation of Leo )

Doesn't this mean that the Egyptians was right in there 2 calender ?

and not the fixed third calender ?

I'm sorry , this kinda confuses me a bit :S

Sincerely Divine 277

Divine 277 wrote:Its stated more then one place that the Egyptians celebrated the rising of Sirius at new year ... and to day Sirius rises between the night between 25 and 26 of July or between 26 or 27 of July ( in our calender to day ).... ( depending on where you are on the globe )

OK. In understand your confusion. If the Sothic Rise is always about the same time of the year – even though it shifts some days along centuries and millennia – and if the Egyptian New Year, according to the civil calendar, shifts 1 day back every 4 years (because it doesn't use leap year corrections), then how can the New Year always coincide with the Heliacal Rise of Sirius? As strange as it my seem there isn't any contradiction in this, because the egyptian New Year coincides with Sothis Rising only at the beginning of each Sothic Cycle, that is, every 1461 Egyptian Civil Years ( = 1460 years of 365.25 days).

That was the function of the Sothic Cycle. The beginning of each Sothic Cycle was marked by the day when Sirius rose as Morning Star (that is, the Heliacal Rise) that fell on the Egyptian New Year.

Divine 277 wrote:Doesn't this imply that the new year would change every year until the 1460 year circle was for filled, to begin once more ?

I didn't quite understand what you meant. If you're talking about the Egyptian New Year sliding one day back every four years when compared to the Solar Year, then that's right: simply because leap year correction wasn't used in the ancient civil calendar. Was this what you meant to say?

Divine 277 wrote:( just a guess: but I think It has something to do whit the constellation of Leo )

Never heard about that connection.
Would you care to elaborate further, please?

Divine 277 wrote:Doesn't this mean that the Egyptians was right in there 2 calender ?

and not the fixed third calender ?

To be honest with you, regarding egyptian calendrics I'm familiar only with the ancient civil calendar. I don't know how other egyptian calendars worked.

Regards,

Pyr.

@ Pyr Thank you for you answer

Pyr wrote :

I didn't quite understand what you meant. If you're talking about the Egyptian New Year sliding one day back every four years when compared to the Solar Year, then that's right: simply because leap year correction wasn't used in the ancient civil calendar. Was this what you meant to say?

Yes, that seems to look like what I meant ....

Pyr : Never heard about that connection.
Would you care to elaborate further, please?

Well, it is speculated that the Sphinx had something to do whit the first helical rising, in the constellation of Leo... at the beginning of the Sothic Cycle, but I have not found that much on the subject yet

Sincerely Divine 277

Greetings Divine 277,

Divine 277 wrote:@ Pyr Thank you for you answer

You're welcome! However, I forgot to comment on a sentence of yours:

Divine 277 wrote:(...) and to day Sirius rises between the night between 25 and 26 of July or between 26 or 27 of July ( in our calender to day ).... ( depending on where you are on the globe )

Apparently there are many people thinking that the Heliacal Rise of Sirius falls, nowadays, on the 25/26/27th of July. This information seems to have originated from the writings of a New Age guru called José Argüelles, creator of the Dreamspell calendar. Argüelles claims that the New Year of his calendar, July 26th, coincides with the Rise of Sirius. This information, however, is flawed and misleading, because the Rise of Sirius doesn't always fall on the same day, and it varies for the position (latitude) we're in. Anyway, a more correct way of saying when the Rise of Sirius happens, is in August.

Here's a list of dates of the Heliacal Rise of Sirius, for several latitudes (in 2010):

Latitude = HR Date

50° = 8/21/2010
49° = 8/20/2010
48° = 8/19/2010
47° = 8/18/2010
46° = 8/17/2010
45° = 8/16/2010
44° = 8/15/2010
43° = 8/14/2010
42° = 8/13/2010
41° = 8/12/2010
40° = 8/11/2010
39° = 8/10/2010
38° = 8/9/2010
37° = 8/8/2010
36° = 8/7/2010
35° = 8/6/2010
34° = 8/5/2010
33° = 8/4/2010
32° = 8/3/2010
31° = 8/2/2010
30° = 8/2/2010
29° = 8/1/2010

Source: Astro Event of the Week: Heliacal Rise of Sirius

Regards,

Pyr.

A further note:

Still regarding the Egyptian Calendar and the Sothic Cycle, I've found in Wikipedia some references on dates of Heliacal Rises of Sirius falling on the Egyptian New Year:
Sothic Cycle - Wikipedia

« A heliacal rise of Sirius was recorded by Censorinus as having happened on the Egyptian New Year's Day, between AD 139 and 142[3]. The record actually refers to July 21 of 140 AD but is astronomically calculated as a definite July 20 of 139 AD. This correlates the Egyptian calendar to the Julian calendar. Leap day occurs in 140 AD, and so the new year, Thoth 1, is July 20 in 139 AD but it is July 19 in 140-142 AD. »

Using Calendrica, we can confirm this is true. In fact:
- 20 July 139 AD (Julian Calendar) is 1 Thoth 887 (Egyptian Calendar)

And finally, to confirm our hypothesis, 1461 egyptian years later (1 Sothic Cycle)...

- 20 July 1599 AD (J.C.) is 1 Thoth 2348 (E.C.)

Note that there is a difference of 1460 julian years (of 365.25 days average) between the two dates, which corresponds to the difference of 1461 egyptian years (of 365 days, fixed).

Hope this helped

Pyr.

Greeting to you to Pyrene

Thank you, that was most helpful for me <3

Divine 277 wrote:Greeting to you to Pyrene

Thank you, that was most helpful for me <3

Sorry about this .

And since I cant Pm you , I will ask here

But I cant seem to get into this page :Calendrica,http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/Calendrica.html

Can the problem being that I am sitting on a mac or that its not available in my aria ?

Greetings Divine 277,

Divine 277 wrote:But I cant seem to get into this page :Calendrica,http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/Calendrica.html

Can the problem being that I am sitting on a mac or that its not available in my aria ?

Honestly I don't know if MAC is compatible with Java applications.

But instead, you can try to download this small program from 4shared:
PROG - Egyptian Civil Calendar 4.0

If you can't use it either, then I don't know how to help you further. Sorry! :/

@ Pyrene.
Once again, Thank you .

Greetings to all,

Here's the output for July 7th 2007 (Asetian Bible published) while using a nice calendar converter called Calendar Magic V16.9. You can download the file here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ppdflx

Hope you enjoy it

Regards,

Pyr.

Thank you Pyr, thou help is much appreciated.

Sincerely Divine

Macs are compatible with java.. I am able to open it just fine ^^;

Lunar Sentinel wrote:Macs are compatible with java.. I am able to open it just fine ^^;

I know, but Firefox didn't like it very much
So I used Google chrome instead

Sorry for "resurrecting" the topic, but...

Just found out that on July 7th, 2007, the Sun was conjunct Sirius... at least according to a chart drawn on Astro.com and using midday (GMT-DST) as the reference time.

Who knew?