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Post by Talibah on 23.09.08 3:00

Em Hotep everyone,

Can anyone give me the correct pronunciation of each word of the Kheperu Mantra.....?
I feel there is little point in trying to include it into my daily routine, if I am not certain I am pronouncing each word correctly!
Also, I'm just wondering, how many others use this Mantra?

Many thanks.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 23.09.08 8:02

kheper ee kheper kheperoo kheperkooyeh m kheperoo n khepree kheper m sep tepy
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Victor on 29.09.08 5:24

It may be hard to know the exact sounding of that and other Kemetic mantras. Maybe Maktub may point us in the right direction in what comes to modern research achievement on that field, but I still believe that type of knowledge is in a way lost. At least for those of us that like me lack the knowledge and understanding over Kemetic magickal words and sounding, like the secret language of the Asetians known as Serkem.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Syrianeh on 01.10.08 5:26

As I understand it, kheper is pronounced "Kheffer"...
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Talibah on 01.10.08 8:59

Syrianeh,
that is also what I have come to understand. Although, as Victor stated, perfecting the exact sounding of the words when strung together is a little trial and error.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Syrianeh on 01.10.08 9:14

Talibah wrote:Syrianeh,
that is also what I have come to understand. Although, as Victor stated, perfecting the exact sounding of the words when strung together is a little trial and error.

True. I suppose it's not so much the exact pronunciation as to the rhythm and vibration.

I have also recently started to use this mantra. Not yet to the point that I become oblivious to it and recite it mechanically, but I do think I have caught on to the rhythm.

But at the same time I'm learning to meditate properly, so it's all a question of information overload Smile

Does anyone have some useful advice on meditation techniques?
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Talibah on 02.10.08 4:42

I completely agree Syrianeh...Information overload indeed Very Happy

I too have only just started using this mantra, and trying to keep in a state of meditation whilst concentrating on the rhythm is proving to be a trying task....Embarassed ....I have found that if I am not properly grounded, (head in the clouds somewhat) then internal distractions tend to get in the way of productive meditation. *shrugs..some may disagree*

I use various techniques that have helped me, you are more than welcome to PM me if you would like to discuss this further.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Maktub on 02.10.08 10:38

Just as a side note, the Aset Ka has far more interesting and deep mantras than the transformational one referred in this thread. Lets hope some of them can be shared in any future work of public access from the Order, otherwise makes it harder to discuss it on this vehicle that is the forum.

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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 02.10.08 11:15

I've had great success in composing from using the Kheperu Mantra
Matter of fact I plan on composing a piece using the Mantra itself.
Being that mantras are sound / vibration based I seem to gravitate towards their use and relate better.
I look forward to any other mantras the AK bless us with
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 08.10.08 7:25

Could I ask a few of you . . . "how many syllables do you count in the Kheperu Mantra?"
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Syrianeh on 08.10.08 8:35

A'nen Sedjet wrote:Could I ask a few of you . . . "how many syllables do you count in the Kheperu Mantra?"

I count 25, though depending on how you read it out. But it could also e 24, because "kuie" can be read as one syllable - and the number 24 in itself is much more significant.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Victor on 08.10.08 9:33

Syrianeh wrote:
A'nen Sedjet wrote:Could I ask a few of you . . . "how many syllables do you count in the Kheperu Mantra?"

I count 25, though depending on how you read it out. But it could also e 24, because "kuie" can be read as one syllable - and the number 24 in itself is much more significant.
Interesting. What significance do you see on it?
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Syrianeh on 08.10.08 10:03

Victor wrote:Interesting. What significance do you see on it?

Number 24 is linked to reincarnation cycles and the evolution of the spirit towards illumination.

(I might add that 24 is 2+4 = 6, which is in harmony with the "trinity" ensemble of the three Castes - while multiplying it by 2 (3x2 = 6) signifying the duality inherent to each one of them - but that's just random thinking on my part.)

Number 25 as far as I know represents the world of the divine among other things. It is also of significance, but I would say 24 applies much more to the Mantra's meaning.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 08.10.08 10:10

Kheper ee kheper
kheperu


2 1 2 3





kheper-kuie em Kheperu en


4 1 3 1





Khepri kheper em
Sep
Tepy



2 2 1 1 2
I have grouped these polyrhythms into groups of 5/8 - 7/8 and /8/8
I am having a singer overlay these rhythms on top of each other
Alone the groupings sung Mantra style are very hypnotic

Interesting 25 - 2 + 5 = 7 (Aset)
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 08.10.08 10:16

Well, that didn't post any where how I wanted it to . . . and there's no editing of your own post here is there?
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 08.10.08 10:39

[Kheper 2 ee 1 kheper 2] 5/8

[kheperu 3 kheper-kuie 4] 7/8

[em 1 Kheperu 3 en 1] 5/8



[Khepri 2 kheper 2 em
1 Sep 1
Tepy 2] 8/8
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Elendor on 08.10.08 12:31

A'nen Sedjet wrote:Well, that didn't post any where how I wanted it to . . . and there's no editing of your own post here is there?
On this community we have decided to keep people from editing their posts. This serves several purposes, being one of them an attempt to incentivate people in being more spontaneous, where their first ideas and ways of expressing it prevails. Second, this serves as a security feature, since it is common on many other forums to see people, just because they have the ability to later change their posts, to write all sort of things and insults. In here we prevent that. What is said is said. So that no one comes later delete a post and argument he never said it. This is a place for mature people, so I see no strong reason to allow editing unless for post perfectionism. But in case anyone makes a mistake or wants to add or alter anything about his previous idea, that can easily be done by an added post explaining that. We believe this is the most mature solution for this community and also a safe way to protect our users rights and enhance their experience while in this forum.

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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 08.10.08 13:01

Oh I have no problem with that . . . I just couldn't get my post to come out right . . . messy messy!
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Of Interest

Post by Ankhhape on 02.02.09 13:15

In the language of Ancient Egypt the root of the name
Khephra is "kh-p-r"
which means "to become". Khephera appears to represent our point of
becoming
- in my view, much like Kether in Qabalah.

Here's a sample of text from Budge's "The Gods of the Egyptians" vol.
1:

"I became the creator of what came into being. I came into being in the
forms of Khepera coming into being in primeval time. I came into being in
the forms of Khepera. I became the creator of what came into being, that is
to say, I produced myself from primeval matter which I made."

khepera kheper kheperu kheperu -kua em kheperu en Khepera kheper em sep tepi
kheper-kua em kheperu pu en pa-na au pautet aru-na pa-na em pautet
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Jonathan on 02.02.09 17:06

This is pretty good stuff, keep sharing Ankhhape. Thank you.

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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Helliana on 02.02.09 18:27

Keep sharing indeed, that's such a powerful Mantra and it's hard to describe how I feel after reading it.
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 02.02.09 18:31

The Book of the Dead, Pyramid & Coffin Texts contain so much information it is hard to track down the Sound/Vibration stuff, but I will post as I find it
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Maxx on 02.02.09 21:34

May I ask you to try one thing.......compare Budge to another translator to see the difference in translation. My understanding is that Budge could never read what he was trying to translate as well as some other scholars. I found a vast difference in comparing. Please take a look and compare Budge with Dr. Raymond Faulkner. Let me know if you see any difference.

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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Ankhhape on 04.02.09 19:19

True, Faulkner translates it different, as do the Asetians.
Hmmm . . . I wonder who's translation is the closest to the true vibration of the 'glyphs? LOL
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Re: The Kheperu Mantra

Post by Talibah on 05.02.09 7:21

Along the same lines as the Kheperu Mantra, I've recently heard of the Malrak Ulnaus...supposedly another highly important and sacred Mantra within the Aset Ka.

Does anyone have any more information on this..?
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