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Post by Kalb on 28.11.10 16:59

Greetings.

Lately, I am thinking about metaphysical attack and possession. Life is about evolution, Each of us choose what follow or not. But, if someone follow the philosophy of LHP and other follow the same ideology on RHP, in principle should be respected? Because they were free to choose. The responsibility to increase with knowledge and power. Most of case the person that attack does not have the potency to obtain physical death. On other hand, there is case that physical death is succeeded. As mentioned on Asetian Bible occult societies are a world of honor and deceit.
With honor and deceit enemies are created and battles arise. Itís correct when someone die from physical attack? The universe does not react in relation to what occurred?
I am interested in your opinion.
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Re: Interpretation.

Post by Divine 277 on 29.11.10 4:34

Well, from my point of view...( if you really want it )

Left and Wright does not need to fight, but....

We have an expression in Norway : Much want more, and thats suites the devils core....

It is just stated that greed corrupts , and that greed is not the way to go ...

It will corrupt your insides, from what is important in this life ....

So If the dark flame is not good or bad, it rely depends which path YOU chose ...
Like some super hero movie i saw once said, whit power comes responsibility...

Some help others whit their knowledge, some gain power over people whit knowledge...

some chose to let their knowledge only be revealed to the once that ask ... and some chose to be silent .

some do both, and even mislead , but maybe that has its reasons as well...

So what I am saying, is that every feeling( creature) has a good and a bad side, so balance would be wise .... ( but is not going to happen in this life span)

when it comes to the universe part... lets just call it Karma or Maat ( for fun sake )
Every thing has its consequence ...in a good or a bad way ... depending on where you stand....

But the universe is not only black and white ... there is much more chaos then that ...

Sincerely Divine 277
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Post by Syrianeh on 30.11.10 2:53

Delivering physical death to someone through metaphysical forces is a monumental task that very, very few can accomplish, but it has been done and it is indeed possible. As you say, the followers of the Right Hand Path would be against lethal metaphysical warfare, because any type of violence is considered evil and highly detrimental to their own spirit. And they believe this so strongly that, in the end, doing "evil" will most certainly come back to them as punishment because they have conjured this punishment through their own sense of terror and guilt (Law of Attraction).

The Left Hand Path is much more aware of the balancing forces in the Universe. Violence is not always evil. Some times, it is necessary. Ma'at or Balance works itself out through diverse various factors, one of them being the ocassional need to fight and use defense. Or to take down someone because they highly deserve it and Balance requires it. Because it is needed, be it out of a sense of loyalty, protection, etc. In this sense, not only is the violence justified but also the psyche understands this and it can grow or evolve without the lastre of guilt.

A balanced sense of ethics is one of the greatest virtues anyone can aspire to have, and this is where the correct use of violence comes in. Not that it is a desirable thing in itself, but sometimes, it is - as Machiavello said - the means that justify the end.




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Post by Jonathan on 30.11.10 9:51

I think Syrianeh touched in an important point, that many fail to understand, and that it takes a responsible and mature open mind to properly see it through the right angle. Violence when approached by a human standard, is a reflex of ignorance and fear, but not all violence is evil and not all violence is wrong. Sometimes violence is necessary. Especially when it is used to enforce loyalty, protection and balance. Most of all, when it is used to enforce justice. And the most devastating form of violence, is the one that when you are using it, your target does not even know you are. Smile Very vampiric...

Most people see revenge as something very wrong, and although I see it, in most cases, as a negative and unnecessary expression of anger, I do believe that in a few cases revenge is simply deserved and a form of justice. A vendetta, and coming from a vampire, it can be something life-changing. It may not be swift, they are not beings of rush and time after all, and their enemies may even think it has been forgotten or forgiven, but when least expected, when they are feeling higher and stronger, that is when it comes and claims its effects.
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Re: Interpretation.

Post by Divine 277 on 30.11.10 11:01

Jonathan wrote:I think Syrianeh touched in an important point, that many fail to understand, and that it takes a responsible and mature open mind to properly see it through the right angle. Violence when approached by a human standard, is a reflex of ignorance and fear, but not all violence is evil and not all violence is wrong. Sometimes violence is necessary.

Most people see revenge as something very wrong, and although I see it, in most cases, as a negative and unnecessary expression of anger, I do believe that in a few cases revenge is simply deserved and a form of justice. A vendetta, and coming from a vampire, it can be something life-changing. It may not be swift, they are not beings of rush and time after all, and their enemies may even think it has been forgotten or forgiven, but when least expected, when they are feeling higher and stronger, that is when it comes and claims its effects.


Do they( humans ) see revenge as something very wrong ??? ( some do )

I have not notes ed , I see people all the time that wants to get back on each other .... and they are quite cruel , especially woman , and especially when it comes to love ....

So you mean an eye for an eye ?

So if someone kills your wife/husband, then you will kill his/ her husband, you realize that this is kinda what they did in Scandinavia just a few 100 of years ago ....??

Actually it was a law ....
And that hole families got killed in the process... It was called blood dept and every time someone killed someone from the other family, that family had the right to do the same ....

The masons do this kind of thing all the time , to protect there own interest , they see it ass necessary and dont have guilt about it them eater .....


(quote Smile Especially when it is used to enforce loyalty, protection and balance. Most of all, when it is used to enforce justice. And the most devastating form of violence, is the one that when you are using it, your target does not even know you are. Smile Very vampiric...(end quote)

Yes, it would be very vampiric ( ass you said ) cause very few others have the ability to do so , in such a large scale .....
One thing is to teach someone a lesson, another is to do it for revenge...

I dont disagree, that you shouldn't fight for what you believe in , but it is many ways to fight ....

So do please elaborate on what I have marked in red and orange ?

and where does the line go ????

Sincerely Divine 277





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Re: Interpretation.

Post by AndreiaLi on 30.11.10 17:37

When the attack is a response to a being that has somehow interfered in our life in a very disrespectful way, or really tried to mess things up, I wouldn't even consider that an act of violence, but more a need.

I don't see that like a "violent" thing.

In that way, the person that was doing the methaphysical attack was in a metaphorical way: "balancing his/her own Universe" .
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Post by Jonathan on 30.11.10 18:39

AndreiaLi wrote:When the attack is a response to a being that has somehow interfered in our life in a very disrespectful way, or really tried to mess things up, I wouldn't even consider that an act of violence, but more a need.

I don't see that like a "violent" thing.

In that way, the person that was doing the methaphysical attack was in a metaphorical way: "balancing his/her own Universe" .
Exactly...
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Re: Interpretation.

Post by Sinata Anika Asti on 01.12.10 0:45

I Agree
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Post by Syrianeh on 01.12.10 2:27

You have a good point, AndreaLi. However, I used the term "violence" strictly to define an action that causes harm on another, be it justified or not.

Perhaps it is not the most adequate term, because we tend to understand "violence" as something gratuitious and cruel. Perhaps "force" is a better way to define it.
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Post by Divine 277 on 01.12.10 2:42

Syrianeh wrote:You have a good point, AndreaLi. However, I used the term "violence" strictly to define an action that causes harm on another, be it justified or not.

Perhaps it is not the most adequate term, because we tend to understand "violence" as something gratuitious and cruel. Perhaps "force" is a better way to define it.

and force i can agree to Smile
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Post by AndreiaLi on 01.12.10 7:07

Syrianeh wrote:You have a good point, AndreaLi. However, I used the term "violence" strictly to define an action that causes harm on another, be it justified or not.

Perhaps it is not the most adequate term, because we tend to understand "violence" as something gratuitious and cruel. Perhaps "force" is a better way to define it.

Sure, I understood. Yes, I think force is a good term to define it Smile
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Post by Kalb on 03.12.10 7:29

Thank you for your post all. I like your point, Syrianeh, Jonathan & AndreaLi.
Jonathan wrote:Violence when approached by a human standard, is a reflex of ignorance and fear, but not all violence is evil and not all violence is wrong. Sometimes violence is necessary. Especially when it is used to enforce loyalty, protection and balance. Most of all, when it is used to enforce justice. And the most devastating form of violence, is the one that when you are using it, your target does not even know you are. Smile Very vampiric...

Can you give an exemple of "Especicially when it is used to enforce loyalty", Jonathan? I confess that do not understand the point. Loyalty does not coming from within? on a free way?

I see the RHP and LHP as a chess game where the white stone is RHP and the LHP is a black stone and when they are fighting, are developing an intelligent game, silent and devastating. If they are fighting among themselves, that to me means one thing. Are proving that they "want to be this way and not that". They show their individual and collective ego. This is not against evolution? A lack of respect for the essence of magick? I do not see RHP more aware than LHP,Syrianeh. Different Paths with different ways to evolve.
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Post by Syrianeh on 03.12.10 8:42

Stallker, I think where you said:

I do not see RHP more aware than LHP,Syrianeh

maybe you meant to say:

I do not see LHP more aware than RHP

At least that's what I was trying to express.

I see your point: different paths and different ways. Yes, perhaps, but there are great differences. I respect the RHP but I still feel much more in synch with the LHP, it makes more sense to me and it feels much more balanced.
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Post by Kalb on 03.12.10 9:10

Yes, Syrianeh. Thank you for correcting me.
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Post by Jonathan on 03.12.10 11:57

Stalker wrote:Thank you for your post all. I like your point, Syrianeh, Jonathan & AndreaLi.
Jonathan wrote:Violence when approached by a human standard, is a reflex of ignorance and fear, but not all violence is evil and not all violence is wrong. Sometimes violence is necessary. Especially when it is used to enforce loyalty, protection and balance. Most of all, when it is used to enforce justice. And the most devastating form of violence, is the one that when you are using it, your target does not even know you are. Smile Very vampiric...

Can you give an exemple of "Especicially when it is used to enforce loyalty", Jonathan? I confess that do not understand the point. Loyalty does not coming from within? on a free way?
Loyalty does come from within, in a free and unselfish way. Otherwise it isn't loyalty at all.
What I meant is that violence, or the use of force and terror, can be justified when it is used out of loyalty, a pure feeling, or to make justice. We all know that Asetians can be terrifying beings and that they have used their power and force in the past, to devastating ends. Yet, we do not doubt their purity and heart. I believe you understand me now.
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Post by Kalb on 03.12.10 12:28

Thanks for your patience to explain. Jonathan. Sometimes I'm slow to understand things. Very appreciated.
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Post by Jonathan on 03.12.10 20:38

Stalker wrote:Thanks for your patience to explain. Jonathan. Sometimes I'm slow to understand things. Very appreciated.
I was glad to explain it again, Stalker. That's what we're here for, to share and learn together. You are not slow to understand things, probably I just didn't explain myself correctly the first time.
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Post by DCxMagus on 23.05.12 3:14

I think it all comes down to interpretations of acts by the different paths.

In my experience followers of the RHP are much more ready and willing to label anything "aggressive" as an attack. Followers of the LHP see an attack as something much more extreme.

when I feed from someone I don't consider it an attack at all. To me, I see it as a balancing of forces and energy that needs to be done not only because of my need for energy but because of a need to balance the energies of the universe. Ask a practitioner of say Wiccan tradition what they think of the same act, and I become some evil being preying on an innocent violently attacking them. Who's right?

I find as people evolve towards true evolution of self the labels of RHP or LHP begin to no longer really apply. As you start to see the balance in the universe and began to understand the true concept of duality what "you" believe is a true attack begins to become more and more severe.

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