Lycans and Vampires?

Syrianeh, I'd be happy to do so However, i am not an authorised temple representative, but i will explain what i can, how i can.
Firstly, yes, i do agree with you on your part of the temple seeming suspicious due to the offering of knowledge and power for a price. The Temple is not about convincing you to join, or trying to draw you in, it is simply about giving you your free will to decide to either leave the temple and forget it even existed, or to inquire in it's information. The books contain instructions and explanations, building upon the previous book. Of course, i cannot share this information, however the knowledge gained from such is immense. The motto is exactly as i wish to tell you now..
"Believe nothing.
TEST everything."
The books are guides to you indeed, however not without effort. It is wise to remain skeptical, but some form of understanding must be present upon reading the given information. The temple is a very occult religion, that is definitely not for everyone.

Now, onto the connection.
I'm not sure of what has been missed here, to be honest..
the temple does in fact provide a full explanation of the nightside connection on the website. In simple terms, the nightside connection is a spiritual connection formed upon purchasing a book from the temple. Now, on the atheist, dayside perspective, the book is just a book. However, quite similar to taking something from a skilled voodoo artist, the effect of the connection is indeed real. Think of it as a step one, a joining of you and the temple until you make the next move. Rituals and magic are mentioned within the literature, one ritual being the confirmation of allegiance to the temple. After this ritual, the nightside connection is at full strength, and the temple methods will now work for you (after transformation and the sudden increase of life force). The temple will not tell you this on their website anymore for some strange reason, but the temple itself is alot older than 1989. I can't reveal anything else on this subject.

Now, something else that must be understood is, you do NOT (i repeat, DO NOT.) have to be a FULL paying member for the methods to work. You can simply purchase the book, perform the ritual, and you are a lifetime registered member until you either make a choice to leave or break the law (for more on this, please see Temple Law on the official website).
Seems simple, doesn't it?
well, it isn't. Not exactly.
The thing about this ritual is it is extremely intense, and involves you dispensing of almost all of your life force at once. This is indeed a life threatening ordeal, but it is the sacrifice to be made if you wish to join the temple. Now, the temple doesn't reveal much on their website.. to learn more, you will have to dig much deeper. Once again, i must stress, considering i am not an authorised temple representative i cannot reveal much else.

I also noticed you said you never did buy any of the books, nor tried to achieve a connection. This is the reason the temple doesn't usually reply to responses like these. It's not because they are hungry for your money and are awaiting you to be tricked by them, it's because in their view, you have failed the beginning step before step one. I am not a full paying member, however i plan on becoming one later on in life. I have been a lifetime registered member for three years, and in that short amount of the time, the temple has truly changed my life for the better. So, i leave it up to you, as your decision, to decide if you wish to learn more about the temple or not.

Thank you for reading.

Please do not forget to answer me, Akhkharu. What are the similarities you see between your Order and AK?

Oh, sorry stalker. Didn't see your post, there lol.
The similarities between the temple and the AK are quite vivid, but usually only to members. The teachings of the temple follow an ancient egyptian/sumerian style, and seem to be connected to an egyptian style of working. The Temple's true age is another thing, but as mentioned before, i can not progress on that subject. The Aset Ka seemed to be connected to the Elder Gods.. it took me by surprise when i found out the temple also worshipped them, aswell. However, they call them the "Undead Gods", yet the description of these beings are very very similar to those of the elder gods. It's just a personal opinion, but..

I mean, when thought about.. the temple (well, as THEY say) came about and revealed themselves to the public after being in the shadows for so long in 89. The aset ka website came to light in 2007. That's eighteen years apart, so the temple didn't copy anything from the aset ka just to claim they are an order.
The similarities become quite shocking after reading more into the temple.. the literature.. almost the hints, the messages, the countless references to ancient vampires and egyptian subliminal notes.

I just find it all to be a bit too much to be just coincidence..
I have a hunch they are connected some how.
I also messaged administration regarding this..
..they didn't reply. Usually, they either don't reply because it's something that's not really worth looking over,
or, they don't reply because they'd rather not say.
I can't say much more.. i can sense i'm offending the temple.
Oh! right, that's another note to syrianeh i forgot to mention..
The connection is a very deep connection to your soul, and, considering after this you and the temple are family, if you offend or disgrace the temple/speak out against it, it's almost as if you can sense it.
Now, i can't really explain it.. but it's almost as if your aurora gets filled with a slight amount of negative energy and a physical pain will occur somewhere near your heart.
Almost like a "Hey, knock it off."

Anyway, back to the subject..
The Ankh's wings of the aset ka resembles the skull and wings of the ToV.
There's not much more i can really say, apart from loads of info related to the ToV (can't really discuss :/..) but yeah, that's just my opinion.

Hello Akhkharu,

It would be nice if you went by the off topic section and introduced yourself to the community. Just so that people can get to know you and your occult background.

I thank you for taking the time to reply to the questions that other members have asked. I can see some parallel between the Order (Aset Ka) and the Temple (ToV) when it comes to both groups enjoying their privacy and secrecy, but there are some aspects that also make both organizations very different. One of them being the fact that at the Aset Ka you can't purchase a membership with the Order, as that happens through invitation only and has no paying membership option. You are part of the family or you are not, no money involved.
I don't mean to say that the ToV is a scam but you must understand that it raises some flags, and I say this with due respect for your beliefs. There are some other threads in this forum that discuss the ToV, with contributions from former members. Some have even speculated that Nemo, the founder of the ToV, might have had contact with the Aset Ka in his youth which inspired him to create the Temple of the Vampire. Do you know anything about that?

Also don't get me wrong, I didn't mean the ToV copied anything from the Aset Ka. I'm well aware that even the ToV was copied along the years, one of the people well known for having plagiarized them being Belanger in most of her earlier texts. Still, if Nemo was somehow influenced or inspired by the Aset Ka in his youth, and again I don't mean copied it, it would be something very interesting. Actually, just having access to the Aset Ka and their works at a time the Order was so secretive and the common population wasn't aware of it except the most secretive occult circles, would already say quite a lot about the credibility of Nemo and the foundations of ToV and would surely make a lot of occultists look at it with renewed trust. I'm well aware there may be no connection though.

Akhkharu, thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my question so extensively.

The reason why I expressed a certain suspicion was because I believe Wisdom and belonging cannot be bought. The first comes with time, the second must be earned, if it wasn't there from the beginning.

But from your explanation I can see that there's a complexity of intention behind the TOV that I, not being a member, am not in a position to judge.

I will draw my own conclusions with time, and I must say there's one thing on which I do agree with you fully: everything must be tested.

Welcome to the Forum.

I'm not quite as... open with this matter. I get a bad feeling when a group requires payment for information. When a person is considered a form of "bad" for not purchasing things from them. I purchased from the Aset Ka one book because it was interesting to me and had other uses than being just a book of information about Asetianism.

What is there to truly gain from shelling out money to an unknown group?

I thank you both for welcoming me to the forum. Unfortunately, i didn't get much sleep last night, so i'll get round to introducing myself sometime later on.
Ah, and daniel,
Well.. the answer to your question is explained in the posts i wrote earlier.
By the way, quick question to you guys..
Today i was in quite a busy crowd, so i took my opportunity to feed, absorbing lifeforce from a few people, as too many can often create a negative effect (as i'm sure you know.)
However, something very unusual happened..
One of the people i was focusing on instantly stopped in their tracks, gasped, and stared at me.
I stared back for around 4 seconds, before stopping the feeding process, and she continued as if nothing had happened..
This has never happened before. It was almost like that scene from inception in which the projections around the dreamer realise there is something tampering with the subconscious (sorry if that sounds a bit off topic, just using an example).
I felt very alarmed by this, and it's put me off..
she looked as if she was in fear, then anger, but as i stopped it was as if she had completely forgotten about anything actually occurring.
No one around her seemed to care, either.
Is this what the term "alerting the herd" is?.. how can i avoid it in future?
If you would like to discuss this in another forum or open a topic which is related to this, i can do so
It's just the complicity of how she reacted.. it resembled a natural defence mechanism.

Ah, sorry, slight bit of miscommunication (my fault).
What i meant to say was,
The temple says it's official creation (outside of the net, registered as a religion) was in 1989.
I meant to say, although they will no longer say it,
this is not true. The order is much much older, and came to light once more in 1989..
I'm just puzzled as to why they took that section off of the website.
The history just then was very fascinating, i had never knew about the private web before this world wide web (Well, i'd heard of it.. but no one really bothered to give me in an in-depth explanation)
Oh, and another thing..
I'm not really sure of their ideology or appearance, but apparently Nemo was once a member of The Temple Of Set.
I've heard the matter of them being related to the AK through communication once somewhere on another forum.
Hmm.. I should research them a bit, get some general knowledge of who they are before i jump to assumptions.

Anyway, thank you for the explanation. The Dark Mark sounds very very familiar though.. i'm sure i've heard it discussed lately.
Oh! i almost forgot..
When investigating the AK website a step further, and really reading in depth a good few nights back, the room seemed to suddenly lower in colour and the temperature dropped to grave-cold.
I considered coincidence, so i went downstairs to take my mind off it.
Didn't help.
First of all, my Sky+Box had "There has been a technical fault on this channel. Please try again later" on EVERY single channel.
The remote wouldn't work, and there was a constant high pitched ringing from every corner of the room.
My stereo's made that strange buzzing sound (They were turned off...) and i felt as if a pathway for communication had been opened somehow.
I simply asked, in my thoughts, "Who are you? are you related to the research i'm progressing in currently?".
Silence. But then a hissing type of noise came back, followed by a hollow voice that said:
"You are closer. Forward."
At first i thought this was all in my head, but as soon as that image of disbelief had hit me, an even HIGHER pitched sound rung in my hear, with a louder hiss somewhere in the background.
I apologised, and asked what was needed of me.
Silence once again. I waited for a good 5 mins, nothing.
I thought for a second.. then re-phrased it and asked,
"How can i assist you?"
Silence for around 10 seconds, and then a voice whispered
"You walk the path.
Do not be foolish.
Do not stray."
I really had no idea what it meant at the time... and well, i still don't.
i simply said "Thank you." and returned upstairs and went to sleep.
When i woke back up, the sky+ was fine, the stereo's on, temperature normal, everything normal, really..
Now that i think about it.. i think that's what actually lead me to this forum.
It's unusual for any higher being (other than the Undead Gods) to directly speak to a temple member, but then i thought to myself..
"Be realistic. This has just happened after you've attempted to look through the viewpoints of the AK."
Again, doubt came along.
"Me of all people? Really? pfft. Don't kid yourself. You were probably dreaming, you fool."
So that's when i went back downstairs, to find the other day's newspaper on the porch (I usually check the front door for any letters the postman may not have posted, due to me having a german shepherd.) i usually have to buy/pick up a free newspaper from the shop down the road.
The headline was:
"CAN DOUBT REALLY KILL?"
This scared the absolute crap out of me, and i'm still spooked now.
I just hope i haven't offended the AK in anyway..
if this was contact by a temple member/undead god, i'd be able to tell due to the familiar energy.
The energy i picked up was unlike anything i've felt before. It had no emotion, no thoughts, it just was.

I hope you can take my post seriously, because i really wouldn't lie about matters such as these. I'm just in wonder, almost fear, as to if i've done something wrong or i'm following something through.

I don't like that seemingly anyone can join. It makes it seem too much like a marketing scam to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, and I've nothing against you, AkhKharu.

Akhkharu wrote:The order is much much older, and came to light once more in 1989..

I see.. In your point and understanding how much time have the Order of Aset Ka? Can you talk a little more about the origins of ToV?

Thank You.

I do not know much of the Aset Ka, other than in terms of families/covens of vampires, they are at the top of command.
The Aset Ka, from my knowledge, are probably the oldest vampiric clan in the world. Most probably most powerful aswell, so i doubt they are a force to be looked over with little caution.
Something that cautions me (back onto the topic of Lycans/werewolves for a second) is the fact that lycan orders are rarely heard of, meaning they could be lying in wait for the aset ka to fully remerge once more (likely, considering this year is the year of kemet) at which point they strike.
Something often forgotten by other vampires i have met (Barely any in the location i am present in) is:
1. Vampires are of the same kind. It frustrates me when i see two vampires arguing and fighting (unless there is an obvious reason, that has a good defence for the argument in the first place) because it is not only a waste of energy, but an insult to a fellow predator.

2. Lycans and vampires have been natural enemies for quite some time from my knowledge. But some still believe in the image displayed by the media, and imagine a physical wolf fighting a vampire with near impossible traits.

I understand there are infact many orders spread across the world that usually maintain an area as a source of lifeforce, it's just..an annoyance to see vampires forgetting their kin are friends.

Anyway, I'm really sorry, but i can't discuss the origins any further (believe me, if i could, i would). A quick question, though,
What happens if a vampire who has recently been transformed, still see's his new existence as a joke and begins exposing himself to the area he is present?
Would a nearby order deal with him through diplomacy? Or...?

Akhkaru,

I found this thread and read it with great interest indeed. The ToV in its primary teachings look upon werewolves and vampires being one and the same. They also teach that the ToV members are the only elite group to be with. As an ex-member, years as an adept mind you, I am more interested in what your agenda just may be? From what I can see here, the ToV administration would consider you to have violated temple law as you have been representing the ToV on an ongoing basis even though you are claiming not to be able to say anything more, you are currently saying just a bit more each time. So the statement "I really can't say any more" actually makes no sense. Unless of course you are in the Order of Prometheus, then you are given permission to post aka representing the temple to the public, but those things posted are approved prior to you putting them here. I don't see that to be very likely with what you have written, unless of course all of those in the "know" have gone mad.

Test everything/believe nothing is promoted but so is one life/one chance. There is NO reincarnation promoted. Let's not forget in how membership is maintained as well, if you leave the ToV you are destined to die. Not only to die but to die a second death....death of the soul. Now if that is not the use of fear to maintain income to the organization and to fully enslave on an individual basis I don't know what is. Borrowed from the Christians, no doubt, as it has been used for thousands of years. Tell me, where does this fit in with the Asetian Bible?

The 5 bibles/books that are to be purchased, and I not only own all 5, I have studied all 5, contain rules of engagement only! Nothing there in a promise, would you not agree? They are written in a cryptic manner asking the reader to discriminate with care. Basically, saying I have written lies with some truths.

Just some thoughts as well as questions.

Ah Akhkaru,

Looks like Witchmark just blew your cover.........LOL.

I have watched your posting from the beginning as well as others here on the board to verify what you are doing. Let this thread be a revelation to newbies not familiar with the TOV group.

I am not as kind and well mannered as all the others here. I can call you a liar to your face......because I was a member of OOPs and know the teachings instructed by Nemo to reach out and draw in more members.....Why you people all work for him for nothing, other than power over the lowly members, I will never understand. The TOV has been having a problem as of late getting new, quality members. There is now an effort to show the Temple in a new light and as a much "nicer group" than in the past. Hence your "textbook" effort coming here.

Nemo has given classes teaching the OOPs members how to move into any group. The intro includes introducing the TOV card where all can view with it's internet address. That is primary.....Then always conversation which never is hostile in any way. Not giving info about the Temple other than minor history is the technique that has questions introduced that will lead individuals to seek out the site for themselves and thereby interact.
(Nemo designed the skull and wing logo from a rip off of the Rosicrusian AMORC as well as their mirror technique in the initiation of blowing air into a mirror and then looking for any signs of contact from the Undead Gods. Actually, as you know when you reach adepthood, as you have......you are then told that you are the Undead God all this time......what a revelation.)

And why do the Undead Gods need an organization formed to seek out their own kind?......would not they be powerful enough to find their own kind? Just like the Asket Ka.....which does not feed the pockets or a human like Nemo?.....$250 here, $75 there, $35 over there, $100 for rings or jewelry, $$200 for books, $100 for other books which keep coming out........after a while you begin to see that the only one living the good life out there in not the Undead Gods, but the human God, Nemo.

I know a very wise Spirit recently said "if you find your teachings coming from a human, what are you going to get?......answer....More Humanistic"
If you are going to get Spiritual teaching and growth, you will need to obtain it from the Spirit realm...meaning you will need to get the teaching in the astral realm from the Spiritual world itself" So my question to you is why do you continue working to become more human?........Why are you working for Nemos pocket book and not your own......Talk about wasting your lifeforce.

As a person, I really like Nemo. He has a great personality....but then again, all leaders of the herd are like that, aren't they?

So dear fellow. You have been revealed for what you are....a member of the herd being manipulated by a higher mind than your own.

OH>>>>>and I was kicked out of the TOV when I began to question why a member was giving financial advice while drawing a monthly welfare check.
Anyway, I hope all is well within the framework of that man made Temple you have belonged with for over five years. I actually remember you joining while I was still there and you were going up through the ranks....You must still be wearing your ring......but I flushed mine down the drain......

Maxx

From the beginning it was clear their objectives. It is not the first to have these goals and not will be the last around here. Our community is different from others .. we are free, we follow what we want and we have one thing in common: Freedom.

Thank you Maxx and witchmar.

There is a funny thing, as this is not the first time that I see former members of the ToV now approaching the Asetian tradition and culture with a feeling as if they now found something of a higher level. Not only with the ToV, actually, as someone in other thread was mentioning, this is even more common with people that have been Thelemites for years and studying Crowley's magick, only so they could grow and one day eventually find the continuation of their growth and path in Asetianism. This has happened with people from the OTO, ToV, CoS, ToS, etc. The only ones I don't find developing a growing interest for the Aset Ka are the members from the RoS. (lol)
To me it's a very interesting detail how so many people that have been in other occult paths and traditions all converge into the Asetian path, usually at a later time in their lives, most likely when they have developed another sense of maturity and growth. It's meaningful.

I also want to add that I have nothing against the ToV or any of their members and I believe people from other paths should be welcome in here as long as they show respect for our own beliefs and traditions. Like others have said, Nemo is an intelligent man and although many are manipulated by his skills and craft, I do believe he respects the Aset Ka and their teachings, most likely finding inspiration in them. But I could be wrong...
So if Akhkharu wishes to remain around and learn I have nothing against it, what I do wish is that he would remove his signature image as that comes across more like marketing than anything else. Certainly not like an occult order would like to be presented. So I ask politely for him to remove that image, or if the administration could please do it for him. Thanks.

Interesting responses from all of you, but something basic you seem to forget is, everyone is different.
Members of the ToV are people. Just like you.. they are not programmed robots ordered to act in a certain way 24/7.
It's a shame, because i thought i would find some respectful people here who are open to opinions, but instead i find the majority questioning me and calling what i follow a scam.
As i have stated before,
I am NOT (PLEASE, read this again and again) A FULL PAYING MEMBER OF THE TOV. i simply use the books to attain knowledge and advance myself, but i am a lifetime registered member, so in respect i represent them here.
It seems you people are quite much paranoid, without being too cruel..
Actually, no, you are paranoid. And i now state that without haste due to the somewhat rude comments i have been receiving.
You are quick to say the temple is unclear and very different from how they seem (in a negative way), but this forum is supposed to encourage freedom of speech and open minded opinions+maturity. So, i was respectful and kind, because, of course, as you seem to forget i am infact a person.. You know..living..in society...just like the rest of you....
But i am treated differently just because i seek knowledge?
I'm not asking you to join the ToV, i am simply representing what has changed my life for the better, but you treat me as if i am a conspiracy theory..

I just don't understand why you immediately assume i am someone from the high ranks of the tov, here to persuade you into giving them money.
That is a very foolish thing to assume based on someone who has only shown you respect and has been open minded to everything you have said thus far.
So, in response from the ignorance here, i'm probably going to move on from this forum, and inform any others i meet that are seeking knowledge to avoid this place (Based on my opinion. Some here are respectful, but it's people like maxx who are ironically ignorant.)

And, you are probably thinking i am leaving because you insulted the Tov.
To be honest, it really doesn't concern me. I'm leaving because i see how much oppression you put on someone who is seeking knowledge from an organisation you don't particularly like.
Just remember, please, as advice..
No one is "out to get you".. This is the internet, people..

That is all.

The only disrespect shown here is that you continue to lie to us. We know you are an adept (meaning you are a full paying member misrepresenting yourself.) You never answered any questions posted to you and try to misdirect all of your flow of non information into other subjects. End of your feature presentation so go whine in some other forum. It really seems as of this last post was made by another person from the original as it is rather childish in its rambling. But again, we have 4 different sources to verify you are an adept in the TOV. Until you decide to be truthful, good luck in your travels.

Maxx

Akhkharu I was actually very respectful and welcoming towards you since the beginning.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is what freedom is all about, respecting other people's opinions. Maxx, Stalker and witchmark gave theirs, based on actual personal experience with the ToV. But now this last post from you really is making me question your honesty after all. Like I said, I have nothing against the ToV, but your attitude is now making me question that.

As far as "informing" others to avoid this forum, please feel free to do so. If someone judges a whole community, especially one as well established and mature as this one, simply because someone told them not to come after staying for a week and writing one or two posts, then that someone doesn't really deserve to find this place anyways.

This is a forum for seekers and those looking for occult knowledge. If that is what you really seek, I think you will remain because you would see the potential that hides in this place. Now if you come here just to market the ToV, then I'm sure you will leave as you have seen people in here have more resources and contacts that what it seems at surface.
I know that many Asetianists may seem innocent at surface, but the Asetianist community is actually one of the most well informed and owner of a large network of contacts in the occult world to date. That is something I believe Nemo knows very well and from personal experience, if you ask him…

My two year old has more mature tantrums than this.

Oh, well.

are lycans and werewolves the same thing and i need some info on them. Like how they work and move at night and if they can control there shifting becasue im interested in becoming one!

Guess this is a bad time for a Lycan to pop in eh?

Dreiyan wrote: When I try to get him to talk about it, he shuts up. Closest thing I ever got from him was something about an Ancient Law. Sounds pretty vague and I can't completely take him seriously but whatever went down back then, it was pretty serious.

This sounds a lot like some of the things I remember from the book Blood Law by Karin Tabke. Check it out it you would like to.. > http://books.google.com/books?id=aSlU07dDk0oC&pg=PT147&lpg=PT147&dq=Lycan+Ancient+Law&source=bl&ots=_TAm3t75fM&sig=gLQkyHxq-AKhXwsPvhOenP58Yts&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZVz1T5eCJomo8ASTlfDXBg&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Lycan%20Ancient%20Law&f=false

After reading this topic I was just wondering if anyone is (or has been) familiar with Nikolas Schreck and his "Radio Werewolf"/ "Werewolf Order" project which existed from about 1985 to 1995? He also claimed that vampires and lycans are bascially the same kind of species and that both are the "negxt step in human evolution" in the sense of the development of a predatory spirituality. Apparently his organisation worked heavily with the werewolf archetype but still retained friendly relations with the TOV. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find much of his internal literature though.

Also, no matter which thread I read, I'm always astonished from where Victor gets his information. Those that he refers to as "his people" must really have access to a lot of things I'll probably never get to see, despite all my researching.