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Post by Jonathan on 16.07.12 12:17

It seems like those good folks at the VCN facebook group are once again perpetuating misinformed opinions and insults towards the Aset Ka, this time against the article on Vampirism published in the official AK website. The one article we have actually recommended to many people as a decent introduction to vampirism.

I noticed that Stalker joined the discussion with a mature commentary, keeping it cool, but it seems like there is a major inability for open dialogue and unbiased evaluation around those people. There is so much nonsense put forth that it's crazy. There is even one guy that is complaining about the quotes from the AB not being linked to the book, stating that the AK is implying with those quotes that there exists a real AB book! LOL It seems like he thinks the AB does not even exist! Can't these people at least read the website, it would show them that the AB is real, exists and everyone can read it. It's not a mythological book! Really insane stuff. Just a google search would have solved that question for him, but even that kind of basic research seems like a stretch to them.

I really don't understand how it can be common practice for people to talk and judge things they know nothing about and didn't even research and try to understand. In real life we don't get an architect giving his input on proper medication for cancer or the doctor telling him how he should level the foundations of his constructions, so why do we allow this to happen in the occult world? People openly speak nonsense about all sorts of subjects they don't understand and do it as if they are any sort of reference. That's what leads so many outsiders to look at the occult as a bunch of nonsense studied by a group of wackos. It's insulting to the ones that take the occult seriously, on any level or path. Even Zakary, the one that joined this forum recently hoping to cause some drama but since he was so well received with no judgement he then left after 2 posts, of course he joins this facebook discussion using the name "house bennu" and guess what, his contribution can be summed up in an attempt at trying to guess the age of Luis Marques, which in his words must be over 60 and a salesman. Totally deep right? That says a lot. Hey there's this new system of initiatory magick, what do you think about it? Great, let's speculate about the age of its creator instead! That is just sooooo important to me!

lol!
Unbelievable. No wonder these people can't learn magick, they spend their time arguing about clothing, age and what not! While they approach vampirism as roleplay they will never understand what it truly is. I'm thankful there are many other sources of information online that discredit this shallow approach and spread of misinformation, otherwise every newcomer would be lost if this was all they could find about vampire "wisdom".
Sorry about the rant but I just had to share, I know you guys will certainly enjoy the read in your spare time and have a fine time smiling. Razz
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Post by Kalb on 16.07.12 12:47

Jonathan Clap You do not have a stop in the tongue Evil or Very Mad

I confess that I laughed a little with your post. Well prepare and constructive. Hope They learn something with you and with this article.
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Post by Maxx on 16.07.12 14:43

Well, I told another at the time of the post by Zachery.....anyone that would have their picture made in a halloween costume attire to attach to their book, is unable to see what is real if it bit them in the ass, much less their neck.

(meaning it is qusetionable where this bunch mentioned above would attempt to bite you). Be careful.

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Post by Jonathan on 17.07.12 6:37

Don't worry Maxx, the only harm they can do is to themselves.

Maybe I was a bit too harsh and direct in my first post about the situation. It's just that I really don't understand how can people continuously act so limited and judgmental about a subject. I don't mean that they should agree with us, not at all, but at least read and research before commenting and don't do it with nonsense that is so absurd no one of intelligence will venture in arguing.
If my opinion in the original post made someone feel insulted or threatened by it I apologize. We should be civil, I just wish for people to start thinking for themselves for once and not act like a herd hating something because everyone in the group does without even questioning if what is being perpetuated is true.
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Post by Maxx on 18.07.12 13:30

Well, always, I am too harsh on anything. Entirely my own personality.

But Thanks go out to Belfazaar Ashantison.....for it appears you are a very intelligent person with an elevated standard of looking at reason. Also to Victorya Upyra, for intelligent comments....One there actually read the Asetian Bible........And if you are searching for real answers, it will not be found there to my own simple mind of reasoning. That Bible even says you will find no real secrets written out in the open in that book. Of course, I am no Vampire and I am just a lowly human. But I am not trying to be anything other than what I am. Delusion in the media of today runs rampart and it is hard enough to maintain sanity as it is....lol.

To Brian..... I must say that you will find no intelligent direction from any community group out there where you will find advancement in your own walk.
To my knowledge there is only one source for anyone to find truth and that is outside of everything physical. Try the other world.....to find real truth...as it seems that much here is based on delusion.

A good source is working with knowledge learned singularly in a magic environment. You might consider invoking and evoking Angelic and Demonic beings (so called) to full manifestation and then having conversations to find out the truth that you seek. (Actually, they work with the same results but go about it in a different way).

Also, I must address the House B. My full apology to you, Sir. You did call out the Tov in your statement regarding the truth about their group. I must ask if you are aware that your manner of appearance conforms to one of their laws of magic. It says to live and dress as you want your magic to materialize. Many of the Tov members at present are dressing in the same manner as you are and walking down the street every day. .......but anyway, I wish you well.

And as far as the mention of MB and her brushing this community off....well I think that would be understandable with her accusation of the AK ripping off HER material.....and that is really laughable. Anyway.....I wish everyone well. Life is great.

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Post by witchmark on 18.07.12 16:06

Maxx,

You covered it all. Please consider the well done certificate in the mail! Smile

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Post by Jonathan on 18.07.12 16:17

witchmark wrote:Maxx,

You covered it all. Please consider the well done certificate in the mail!
Don't say that or soon our online folks may accuse us of doing marketing for the AK! lol Which is funny since the Aset Ka is one of those Orders that openly opposes the commercial side of the occult and vampirism, avoiding all forms of marketing and known for rejecting most promotional articles in the press, interviews and all, so it's sad when people make such uninformed judgement. Smile
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Post by Kalb on 18.07.12 16:20

True, Jonathan.
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Post by Maxx on 18.07.12 16:54

But Jonathan, one of the group even makes the disclaimer for me....he stated there is no one that even admits to being an Asetian on this site, so how can there be any conversation about anything I say here to have any meaning or how can they expect anything I say here to have any connection to the Aset Ka. Besides that, I am only a lowly human.
He was smart enough to state that on their site.........

and goodness, anything I say, cannot be construed to be any statement from or even connected to the the Aset Ka.........everyone knows that Uncle Fester is completely out of it.....and just roll eyes whenever I post..... So, the only thing one can glean from this is that......one needs to read the books themselves published by the Aset Ka .... to determine what has any merit or not.

Goodness knows nobody takes anything I post as being serious so I certainly could not be representing anything or anybody......especially this forum.

PS....now I know who all those people are that show up reading this forum from the outside window.....and I wonder why they all keep reading this site for their information? Could it be there is something posted here that is of value......I wonder? It must be a secret the Aset Ka is hiding from them....cause only one of them has read the Asetian Bible but all are commenting on it......lol.....very remarkable. Sounds like a group apparently sensitive to nonphysical forces all in one place.

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Post by schitzophobic on 18.07.12 18:38

I reactivated my myspace just to understand this thread better... I feel like I wasted my time... to discuss a book without having read the book?

My grandfathers wisdom... the ignorant are such because they refuse to learn... the innocent become informed through desire... the ignorant lack this desire... they are lazy... they will talk of what they do not know to anyone who will listen... do not listen to the ignorant...
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Post by schitzophobic on 18.07.12 18:40

*facebook... not myspcae... Embarassed
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Post by Maxx on 18.07.12 20:16

Your grandfather's wisdom is still evident. I think that is what DNA is for....

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Post by N.Augusta on 18.07.12 21:13

Just keep in mind that that they will bash just about anything. It doesn't matter. Honestly, not like we haven't done our fair share of bashing here too. Eh, who cares?!
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Post by Jonathan on 19.07.12 6:32

N.Augusta wrote:Just keep in mind that that they will bash just about anything. It doesn't matter. Honestly, not like we haven't done our fair share of bashing here too. Eh, who cares?!
I have done my own share as well, that's why I mentioned in my previous post that if someone felt insulted or threatened by my post I do apologize. I was honest. I was just trying to inform the community around here as I often do but then I get carried away when I see things that I respect so much being disrespected. I guess we all feel the same to some extent, but when approaching things realistically it no longer bothers me. I'm sure there are people of intelligence there and more balanced, less judgmental and negative, they are just less noisy and loud. Usually the ignorants are the first to criticize and condemn everything as a way of hiding their own limitations. So really there is no reason to bash back, lets just forgive or ignore for they know no better. If we do know better, we have a higher standard to live by and we should not forget it (I sometimes do!).
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Post by witchmark on 19.07.12 8:25

Jonathon,

I love learning and I did not take your post as bashing at all. I actually think that the issue of bashing another is out of context for the most part. I can understand if someone is angry with a group and writes nasty stuff about them, they are acting from a personal level and can be considered to be bashing a person or group, You informed. Maxx as well as a few others have validated your information. That is not bashing that is information! There is NO fine line between them. We make one due to the fact that perhaps we just might hurt someones feelings. Seriously why feel bad about it, why say "who cares" when in fact we all end up feeling hurt and we all end up hurting anothers feelings. Is there anyone who has actually avoided this? I would rather be informed as opposed to stupid. If my feelings get hurt....I can assure you that I learn by it. Some simply do not....

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Post by Sinata Anika Asti on 19.07.12 9:52

witchmark wrote: If my feelings get hurt....I can assure you that I learn by it. Some simply do not....

I completely agree with your response...and this attitude is one that more people would do well to adopt Smile
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Post by Jonathan on 19.07.12 16:44

witchmark wrote:Jonathon,

I love learning and I did not take your post as bashing at all. I actually think that the issue of bashing another is out of context for the most part. I can understand if someone is angry with a group and writes nasty stuff about them, they are acting from a personal level and can be considered to be bashing a person or group, You informed. Maxx as well as a few others have validated your information. That is not bashing that is information! There is NO fine line between them. We make one due to the fact that perhaps we just might hurt someones feelings. Seriously why feel bad about it, why say "who cares" when in fact we all end up feeling hurt and we all end up hurting anothers feelings. Is there anyone who has actually avoided this? I would rather be informed as opposed to stupid. If my feelings get hurt....I can assure you that I learn by it. Some simply do not....
Thanks for the understanding and sharing of your view. I appreciate it.
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Post by witchmark on 19.07.12 20:50

You are most welcome, Jonathon.

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Post by Kalb on 22.07.12 14:47

Hello,

All paths are easy to learn once they are discovered, but, not all paths are easy to understand. The point is to learn with time which path is part of our belief. Because of this, many people come and go, always searching for their desires and goals and this is a thing that I have alot of Respect. I Respect each one that have the courage to find their path without any manipulation and dogmas. I admire anyone who has this strength. What I do not admire is the lack of personality and lack of courage, cowardice and liars.

My message is to AndreiaLi ( http://www.vampirismforum.com/u594 ), she joined the discussion on facebook against the Aset Ka, it's fine that she no longer is into it but not fine that she lies about it. She says that she gave a few tries to the Asetian Bible but never liked the book, when we all know that for long she said was one of the best books of her life. She says she just is not a part of the Aset Ka because she doesn't want, when we all know she was around wanting to be an Asetian. She's not part of the order not because she doesn't want but because she was never given that honor.

Below, I let some quotes from her ..

http://portugalparanormal.com/index.php/topic,636.msg133996.html#msg133996 wrote:As an Asetianist, I think it never hurts to re-emphasize the Aset Ka and its extreme importance, as this day for their relevance 07/07.

For those interested, do not forget that this forum has a specific topic about this magnificent Order.

http://www.vampirismforum.com/t520p30-why-do-they-bow wrote:Personally, when I bow I do that in sign of Love, Respect and Honor to the other.

http://www.vampirismforum.com/t23p75-which-lineage-inspires-you#7639 wrote:Yes, although all the Lineages have a strong connection with Love itself, the Guardians are the ones who have the strongest. That's one of the very beautiful aspects of these Asetians.

http://www.vampirismforum.com/t609-ankh#7843 wrote:I also associate the Ankh with Aset and Osiris. Aset with the circular part above, and Osiris with the longer part, being this the symbol of their sacred Love that unites them forever.

http://portugalparanormal.com/index.php/topic,3978.msg69977.html#msg69977 wrote:The Asetian Bible is a treasure, as a work and not just metaphysics. Reveals huge thing, and even messages that contain a first reading of the book may pass unnoticed, so I always advise a second reading of the work the same as are several implicit messages that may not immediately understand at first. However, the book does not reveal everything. There is knowledge that was not disclosed in the published version of the Asetian Bible by the will of the elements of the Order.
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Post by Jonathan on 22.07.12 15:21

lol Not sure what to say Stalker. There was so much nonsense going around on that thread that the message from AndreiaLi is insignificant. To be honest, I didn't even notice her words.
I can understand how you feel but keep in mind that not everyone is honest in their words and spiritual pursuits. If this Andreia is lying she is not disrespecting the Aset Ka, as herself said she has nothing to do with it, so she is only disrespecting herself by coming off dishonest and low about it. Who cares what she thinks anyways? As for the lies you brought up you should not worry as her activities speak for herself. It's actually quite funny that someone says she gave a try to the AB but didn't like it after all the praising she was known for when it came to the Asetians and the Aset Ka. Maybe she's just desperate and feeling lonely so she says those things to get favor from the haters on VCN, I don't know.
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Post by Maxx on 22.07.12 15:23

I can understand how Stalker feels because he takes it personal....she lives right down the street from him....

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Post by Kalb on 22.07.12 17:45

Maxx and Jonathan: The funny thing is that she blocked me on facebook. I can't see her comments and presence on facebook because I was completely blocked, at all levels. I Never gave a reason for be banned. Simply I do not understand.
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Post by witchmark on 23.07.12 13:44

Stalker,

You feel so deeply and I respect that in you. However, I have seen my own post thrown away from boards....my posts were good and informative. I have had friends delete me completely from facebook. Not once did I offend them. However, both in organizations as well as individual levels, I somehow "hurt their feelings".

I beg that you look at them from a viewpoint that they do not want their opinions challenged. When we challenge each other here, it is in order to aid each other to rise. When we challenge others and they block us, delete us, throw us in the trash even. It is primarily due to a lack of strength in their own character as well as in their belief system.

At the end of my day, what brings comfort to my soul is not what another knows, but what I know. Perhaps you too can find comfort in that.

Much love and understanding goes to you.

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Post by schitzophobic on 23.07.12 15:57

I don't understand excessive hostilities when someone disagrees with my opinions or beliefs... especially when it is someone informed disagreeing with me... stuborness or stupidity isnt worth the effort or energy, and someone who is knowledgeable on the matter may have information I do not... I prefer my theories be challenged... that way any potential "holes" that I've overlooked become questions to seek answers to... And I enjoy that particular hunt... ;p
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Post by Kalb on 23.07.12 16:14

witchmark, Thank you of your words.
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