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Post by ardent on 16.03.20 11:47


Humans stock vampire phenomena mostly out of curiosity and some wonder, and some disregard due to dislikes mostly, I think.
I took the time to investigate more than just horror, fangs, and fear of ornaments to apparent important matters.
For example what of vamps is really thrilling, the horror or is it the undead to live ever, for me it would be nonsense to live on earth for a million years, so I looked for what's what beyond the veil, and found solid realism except for characteristics corruptions which can be corrected variably and that a matter of speed for changes is a necessity.
Vamps souls beyond the veil after arriving there become victims of corn, bad vibs for lengthy time, and relocations to strange areas facing loneliness is common today and for quite some time. Fears of garlic on earth due to the thinning of body fluids and weakling feelings is common. Fears of religious ornaments is also variable as the vamps mature. Fear of sunlight is also variable as one is with more or less blood within. Fear of mirrors is also variable as the vamp ages bodily though not in the body double rhythm image made, also visual cloths in mirrors and not the body of the vamp can also be common, this is my theory that only cloths can be visible in mirrors that is when the vamp becomes many, many years old, or when the body is not in real possession of the vamp, in other words, the vamp scene at night might be just the body double in terms of energy image not the total vamp with its body being still in the grave. Fangs are also another puzzle, not all vamps develop fangs, come and go fangs is product of an ancient dragon within, that materializes its fangs in the aid of the vamp's wishes, this one is my theory.
Vamps can mature in the human level after recovering their bodies at one with the double by digging their body from the grave and placing it in a secret location; this is when they at maturity with less fears can make plans to mate with an undivided hetero, why undivided - it's a metaphysical secret I own. Some vamps when young do not know enough of such things like undivided sex is a very powerful thing to remedy themselves out of the vamp situation to normal human and quit the vamp ways.
Vamps who became or may still become out of fear and deep paranoia about the legend prove an extremely sad affair especially among better class people.
Why TB in an advanced stage is really the making of the vamp virus, not out of the blue as some think but it can otherwise be learned like a catch slowly, much of it is very deep paranoia.
So the romance of the vamp is really what intrigues me, not the horror, and also the fact that they need a substance called ectoplasm in blood, any kind, in order to sustain their human body double as undead. Find out where I got the word ectoplasm from. What composites the human body double, is my special secret to examine another time. Lastly you need to establish that vamps are not ever known to be all biochemical, this is the part you need to know to establish the reality of vamps, when you do, remember, it's an extremely rare matter.

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Post by Naoom on 16.03.20 12:08

I wonder when this nonsense will stop. Noone here is interested in fiction, and the things you talk about here have nothing in common to the occult reality of vampirism, period. You are spreading misinformation while acting like an expert. This forum is not for you, you are better off going to the VCN where the vast majority would gladly accept your delusions without questioning.
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Post by Naoom on 16.03.20 12:12

Not to mention that your writings do not make any sense at all as others have commented, since you try to form connections in an incoherent way. Goes by to show that none of those things have been analysed in depth at all, just on the surface and based on coincidental similarities. It is a very very common mistake that people do, and especially for those who have no idea what the occult or magick topic is about.
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 16.03.20 12:44

Realism? What realism? How does realism fit in with fictional stories? Ask yourself that question. This is an occult forum. Why are you discussing things of only fictional value? It's best to draw a sharp line between occultism and fictionalism, because if they mix together you have the kind of superficial catastrophe as the VCN where people party with fangs but think they're real vampires. That is nonsense. And, the occult aspect of it gets bogged down in a mud of pretension and roleplay which has nothing to do with occultism. Occultism is a sincere and mature quest, not a toy, not a game, not a pretension, not a roleplaying masquerade, but a quest for an in-depth understanding of nature, reality, the Self and the universe through esoteric knowledge and wisdom. Having the wrong mentality brings about potentially severe consequences, if there's even such a chance to begin with with that mentality, as it'll probably never unlock any higher power, but if it does, it's a disaster of grand delusional proportions.
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Post by ardent on 16.03.20 14:49

Once again, know me a Mr. Zero who gives nothing off the top of his head as baseless opinions, and has an optimum about the ladies world in top discipline mastered not only of the physical reality but beyond as well. More, all I have written has a university foundation connection, you just need to find out how.
The word realism means clear cut solid activity other than assume apparent mythical imaging however it also promotes characterizations.
I can tell you this based on lab findings, there is no magic nor anything power over matter nor any vampires by biochemical means alone. This is where the curse is on earth among scientists still, to keep looking...
A most important thing to know what is occult is what it really means, inner diction, and nothing more, because if more, I am in good to elaborate.
Further, do you know how many dignitaries support me on my writings here? You'd be surprised, and how of course, not for pedestal. Would you know I know of a legitimate American woman psychiatrist who talks with the dead as a pro medium? This part I hope will make you more objective and still! Further, do you know that top educated personnel including in the AMA cannot deny the existence of spirit worlds today? If they do I'll proved them cowards on the table under quantum mechanics.
I would like you to know why homo expressions mean real trouble even a dead end for vamps if there were such beings today, from carefully picked up analysis - TAO energy connections conflicts due to idolizing personal energy with TAO (Wicca, or the Holy-ghost from the liberated perspective). How does the vamp get to know TAO as vital? Discovery, not some nature you give nor pick up by just desire. Here's the root w1hen a scientist says, it's all fixed in the head biochemically alone, really???
The biggest discovery yet to flourish is that biochemistry of it self has nothing as power over matter or magic of any kind, it's other forces intertwined, this is were I come in. I could also ask 'do you want to know the truth about yin'yang?' Be your ass and never advertise anything or even talk about it, what I mean is that it's plain natural and never needed to assume anything to make sense, just be your self plainly. So you see, i am your best friend!!!

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Post by Naoom on 16.03.20 15:03

this is ridiculous. Thank you for illustrating once more how the ones who claim having all kinds of hidden power and occult knowledge out in the open, are only trying to hide behind their own ego and insecurities. If you knew anything about academic study and research you should know the number one rule... which is to add bibliography, ha.
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Post by ardent on 16.03.20 15:29

This is a site to share, not to degrade others who of their own efforts are only looking to share and make friends. Who wants to relate to contradiction as you stand here?
I am an individual who knows more than biochemical shit which seems like where you're at.
Administration, please take note!
Today in reality anyone who degrades or laughs at anyone who displays another dimension of existence is really a coward according to quantum mechanics - this is top university accounted.
A very friendly note, some people will display stuff as I have here to seek revenge on their folks and their community pressure oriented people, this includes most psychiatrists and most therapists who are nothing but cracked heads, meaning illogical. When you get to master certain things I wrote here, you also master certain things about myth and truth from very basics all for yourself, and end up hating most personnel in the therapy field because they operate in terms of persecution.

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Post by Naoom on 16.03.20 15:41

I didn't degrade anything, I was simply calling things for what they are, unlike your passive aggressiveness. This forum is for serious discussion about vampirism and the ancient tradition known as Asetianism, as well as all things tied to it. Apparently you haven't made any effort whatsoever in looking into those things, even though you try to put everything in the same box without knowing anything about different traditions and paths. It is up to the admins at the end of the day like you said, who I am sure know much better than I do.
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 16.03.20 15:49

You're an individual that knows more than the biochemical? I thought it was you who were proposing this theory of whatever vague and ununderstandable correlation you draw between that and vampirism. It's a metaphysical thing. You're presenting theories that have nothing to do with it. You're drawing things out of fiction and calling it as realism. Where's the logic, where's the sense?
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Post by ardent on 16.03.20 22:02

2 Statements I need to assure:
The Academic world in ID legitimacy, it chooses to hide info because it operates in terms of secrets beyond ordinary humans imagination, much is lies and deception, this I believe.
Most of what is reality known as factual beyond the veil is not shared logically too much because of individual preparedness. It's an insult of the highest degree to get back to me and say I'm wrong, or else to get back to you and say the Academic world is absolutely true as you propose socially.
If I say I know the truth about the spirit world near earth and you say you are denied that info as supposition because the Academic world says so, the Academic world is with you 100%? I do not think so - this is the absolute stupidity of the psychiatric profession who is often under attack and filed suits for the right reasons, it suits its convenience in its practice.
I thus could say that illusion is but a constructive step to unfold otherwise, because it's the anatomy of the individual that is of upmost value.
Finally, a most interesting observation that I believe will astound humans, the vampire and the Saint (Dragon) in theory based in reasonable content, are equal in the power making of either nature. Could I swear to this? Yes, and then lol about religious absolute magnificence without question. Just a curiosity but funny question, 'Am I in trouble with Saint Beket?'


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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 17.03.20 4:10

Academic world?
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Post by Naoom on 17.03.20 4:13

MysticLightShinethForth wrote:Academic world?

Unfortunately not everyone can speak Martian so neither do I have any idea what this person is trying to say lol Razz
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 17.03.20 4:23

If you're going to present a lot of stuff, even without making reasonable sense, you're going to have to face questioning and opposition in the form of disagreement - particularly if you don't make any reasonable sense - and if you at all have any legitimate thing to say, then you'll be able to stand your ground and prove or explain your point.
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Post by Naoom on 17.03.20 4:30

MysticLightShinethForth wrote:If you're going to present a lot of stuff, even without making reasonable sense, you're going to have to face questioning and opposition in the form of disagreement - particularly if you don't make any reasonable sense - and if you at all have any legitimate thing to say, then you'll be able to stand your ground and prove or explain your point.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence Arrow
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Post by ardent on 17.03.20 12:45

Please never use a reference unreasonable sense with me without a specific focus, it's really poor on your part, and yet a have more patience.
Your script seems of reasonable English.
A very important focus a this point:
Bodies found in graves seemingly perfectly preserved - what a story, it affected me that if not true people had to be of extremely stupid and inferior sorts of humor.
The story of bodies found seeming perfectly preserved is well understood by me, it's what follows that intrigued me, firstly the vampire whose body never left the grave and only assumed its double going about at night, with pieces of info from various sources and my own self's ability to know as other than biochemical, I found a new introduction to the phenomena for quite some time. If this story intrigues you to explore further, please let me know, thank you.
There are some people on earth who should probably not be given stories of such sorts as we have here, it's my speculation as to why not.
If what you are concerned with is a vamp cast orientation from specific sorts then should I quit or absolutely follow up? I noted that I could introduce my own topics here, so I proceeded.
Sorry but I smelled the most horrible expressions from you as staff in the worst of mental hospitals with vulnerable people who were victimized with mental illnesses due to unexplained phenomena. I believe it's true real education in such subjects that can really relieve such patients, then education in emotions plus in sexual indulgence manners.
The psychiatric field is the most rude profession in the world due to unrealistic reasons as to why they don't relate nor educate souls in their own actuality but in some cases they only act as they do, this is interesting, they unconsciously make mental patients avoid their real present preoccupations and focus on emotions primarily, this making them have enough guts to master sexuality 100% for themselves, this is the biggest hello to patients, and unfortunately they do not recognize this soon enough.
Finally, all curiosity focus here is a way to make humans awake to more than just biochemical stuff, so I have it > you and I are already composites of all need to be, but why not delve to some more?

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Post by Maxx on 17.03.20 16:17

Because you present a hodge-podge of unconnected material in such a manner you are literally making no sense what so ever.  To yourself, you may think you are a genius, but including the community here and everyone that has answered anything you post, you are too sporadic in your unconnected details as you present nothing but fog.

What good is all this intellectual pursuit if you are not putting it to use, meaning hands-on, which I mentioned several times with you.  Your details list nothing but your concept of so-called (yours) investigations of other investigative efforts and those that write about them.

You have stated we would be amazed by various details you present but it appears there is no amazement with anything you use as a subject issue.  My own opinion is that you are working really hard to lay out a case for yourself to show everyone your spectacular knowledge of the physical and the spiritual.  You have been grossly unsuccessful.  If anyone here had agreed with you, they would have joined your fishing expedition.  Simply put, no amazement.  

My suggestion is to stop trying to present details that are actually not spectacular to a vampire community.  Not this one, anyway.  As mentioned, you possibly might be successful on another site with your material.

But you are certainly welcome here at all times.  Just be aware, we might not see your amazing details of the other world in the same light that you do. No offense meant.  You may want to get into more study on the AsetKa community rather than the world of the fantasy and movie and sex vampire scene.  The problem is that for years we have been inundated with the movie and kiddie vampire stuff coming in the gate and it has worn its welcome out here.

Other than that, Congratulations.  you are a spectacular person.
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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 17.03.20 16:51

ardent wrote:Please never use a reference unreasonable sense with me without a specific focus, it's really poor on your part, and yet a have more patience.
Your script seems of reasonable English.
A very important focus a this point:
Bodies found in graves seemingly perfectly preserved - what a story, it affected me that if not true people had to be of extremely stupid and inferior sorts of humor.
The story of bodies found seeming perfectly preserved is well understood by me, it's what follows that intrigued me, firstly the vampire whose body never left the grave and only assumed its double going about at night, with pieces of info from various sources and my own self's ability to know as other than biochemical, I found a new introduction to the phenomena for quite some time. If this story intrigues you to explore further, please let me know, thank you.
There are some people on earth who should probably not be given stories of such sorts as we have here, it's my speculation as to why not.
If what you are concerned with is a vamp cast orientation from specific sorts then should I quit or absolutely follow up? I noted that I could introduce my own topics here, so I proceeded.
Sorry but I smelled the most horrible expressions from you as staff in the worst of mental hospitals with vulnerable people who were victimized with mental illnesses due to unexplained phenomena. I believe it's true real education in such subjects that can really relieve such patients, then education in emotions plus in sexual indulgence manners.
The psychiatric field is the most rude profession in the world due to unrealistic reasons as to why they don't relate nor educate souls in their own actuality but in some cases they only act as they do, this is interesting, they unconsciously make mental patients avoid their real present preoccupations and focus on emotions primarily, this making them have enough guts to master sexuality 100% for themselves, this is the biggest hello to patients, and unfortunately they do not recognize this soon enough.
Finally, all curiosity focus here is a way to make humans awake to more than just biochemical stuff, so I have it > you and I are already composites of all need to be, but why not delve to some more?

Please don't be upset at us when what you're doing is walk in here with undecipherable nonsense. The "specific focus" is simply on that you make no sense in what you write because the language is way too off to at all be comprehensible. That isn't meant in an offensive way as English might not be your first language but it makes it very hard for us to understand what you're saying and thus where you're actually coming from. So, unfortunately, neither is it understood what you're saying nor does it sound credible at all, but more like fiction. You're claiming some form of secretive society of an academia of whatever kind, as it has been understood so far, but maybe your academia would like to keep things so mystified as possible in order to hide in plain sight your esoteric knowledge from the uninitiated eyes by making it so utterly undecipherable to them that they can't grasp it even on a basic level of grammatical structure and proper English. I doubt it. Looking through what you write it isn't anything but talks about vampires with fangs and some ghost-like resemblance of whatever kind, being stuck in the grave, that it sounds more like fiction than anything with basis in reality. Indeed, that isn't the form of vampirism that we're discussing here which has more to do with metaphysics and the occult. Now, you're slightly touching upon overlapping points in some way, however, by introducing in your topics the concept of electro-magnetism, as well as discussions about the Tao, but the rest is blurred with fictional claims that make no sense to any eyes of understanding as to the reality of true vampirism. It has got nothing to do with the Medieval European superstitions about a risen corpse coming out from its grave to suck the blood of the living, but only if you would somehow mythologize that and draw a kind of symbolic value out of it but that's an entirerly different subject. The closest you've come to discussing real life vampirism was by stating something about these two previous points as highlighted already but also something about the other side, but which you've seriously digressed from by introducing fictional elements as something to supposedly be taken as serious in regards to that.

No meaning to be unnecessarily harsh or directly unkind towards you, however, as I don't really know you but as Maxx stated we've simply grown a bit tired of this inundation - as he puts it - of sometimes fantastic, sometimes delusional, and sometimes fictional, claims. Those were never backed up by any sense of truth in regards to a serious comprehension of vampirism but merely mirrored fantasy. So we became less tolerant of that. I guess the real little devils to us are those trolls that constantly jump in here and make a grand show of delusional claims and consequentially a mess out of the whole place. That leaves a somewhat vulnerable spot in the rear to this forum constantly being overwhelmed and onset by the hordes of internet trolls. I don't say you're a troll necessarily, as I don't get that feeling from you, but you're not helping your case either by unclear communications and similar claims to those that I described. A clearer communication should be in line...
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Post by ardent on 18.03.20 1:00

Why do you people claim yourselves with interest in vampires if you use such contradictory language?
I have experience with absolutely legitimate university personnel in the Boston area in such so called mythic discussions, as well as in another part of the internet. If I made comments in matters least understood, I was patient enough to explain, then I told them to quit for much of such matters are too inconsistent with the modern wold except that it tolerates such matters better than ever before due to quantum mechanics.
It's got to a point of my wonder if you and I are not from planet earth!
I want to ask you what do you want from me?

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Post by ardent on 18.03.20 1:25

The easiest way to solve apparent unclear fictional statements I made here is to ask me what is the actual meaning I am referring to, and I may state that I know so due to this and that reason especially from my psychic visions. Never bother contradicting what I say if my say is 100% fact, otherwise I'll say hand picked associate
Today if you go to an average psychic ans inquire about vampires, they may not know how to relate to such subject, because they do not know neither do the spirits the psychic has communications with, it's too rare a subject that not even most spirits beyond can relate.
I feel 100% at home with my disclosures for they have solid content, it's a pity that most beings on earth do not have the ability to comprehend anything.
You've overlooked the most important factors to ever deliberate primary factors in the story of vampires; it's an extremely sad and temporary world, not really worthy of my undivided attention, except for the romancing side of it.
Perhaps I should be focusing on a new manuscript on romancing as we face the new frontier under great technology.
Perhaps the biggest screw on the so called mythology neglect of the immediate spirit side of life beyond is an old expectation unfortunately left out by Thomas Edison, to be carried on, a machine to communicate with the dead.
Are we mow in the same page??

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Post by Maxx on 18.03.20 7:13

It appears you are a born narcissist when no one but you clearly understands all of your content here.  We try to explain it to you and the fault lies with all who are interacting with you and it becomes the fault of the many against the minority of one.

No way does it appear in your mind that you are the basis for the problem with your lack of communication ability.  No one here understands what you are typing except you.  As long as you say you have been in this country, your communication skills are the pits.  You may care to consult your academic group to help you with your English presentations.  Maybe put a PowerPoint presentation together for us all.
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Post by ardent on 18.03.20 9:22

You have expectations of my manners in communication to you and your friends in this board? I am open, and can relate in precise expectations. I operate much like a computer. My archives will remain.
I do not appreciate fad vamps too well as the internet expanded their revolution but I warn of less educated people in this field who are not vamps for assuming real vamps and kill them.

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Post by MysticLightShinethForth on 18.03.20 9:30

Are we even talking about the same types of vampires? Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference from real vampires and humans, on a surface level.
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Post by Maxx on 18.03.20 9:40

Mystic, this guy is beyond help as he refuses to understand what we are trying to help with.  His communication skills do not allow interaction to the point he can be successful.  We will just have to move on and leave him to his catastrophe.  This guy is a disaster but does not know it.  A pity.

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Post by Maxx on 18.03.20 9:44

I suppose the fact I am human is the big problem here as I cannot understand his vamp (meaning vampire) conversations at all.  He needs a grammar software on his type-mobile.
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Post by ardent on 18.03.20 9:50

I do not understand the value system of the human vamps. I can presume they are not living their real selves, or simply they are living in a form of hypnosis to gain power from others facially and then from internally. If this is so I can presume it's a way one gets used to.
I feel sympathy for killers in this filed for they may assume that all vamps as in the old world including those who became vamps against their very will cannot be saved, I think they can if caught early enough though lots of care.

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